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I see it differently. The founding fathers are not just talking about any god but the Creator God who also created us with those unalienable natural God given rights. Rights beyond. Its inherent that we are made in Gods image in that we are given greater worth that animals because we were...

I am not sure what that means. It doesn't now. But the basis for equality under the law came from Christian values of human worth and equality. Such as with the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights ect which proceeded Human Rights for which all laws are based on including equality under the law. This...

Yes we've done some bad stuff even in the name of what we rationalise as good. Sometimes, perhaps often ignorant but also due to our sinful nature. Yes, and I think they all work together, they converge and should not conflict with each other. What is often morally good is also in harmony with...

I disagree. I just went through the many Christian values the US and west held up such as equality under God which was the basis for freedoms of life which people were attracted to. Democratic governments, being able to live life without being arbitrarily arrested, or taken away for just...

I used S&G just as the metaphor but it could apply to the preflood. Primarily its about the fall of these cultures and cities due to the loss of morals but I am also interested in the paraelles that may exist between these cultures and today which includes their cultural belief practices ie...

The bible has many references to human worth and rights that are beyond human subjective determinations. Galatians 3:28 says "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". So there is no race, sex, gender, or...

Oh ok. Um I don't know. I guess I thought it relates mostly to ethics and morality but more along the lines of understanding human evolution as well. I referred to the preflood cultures as worshipping pagan like gods and nature. I was basing this on the archeology in finding new dicoveries of...

It didn't even cross my mind that it would come across like that. I'm not just thinking about religious belief but more along the lines of anthropology, psychology and sociology as well. A more holistic view as to the study of societies and how they rise and fall. Of course morality comes into...

I think its important to clarify that hierarchies themselves are not controlling or abusive and that it takes a human to make them abusive. Otherwise people get the wrong idea that because some may support a hierarchy and assumed to be abusive or natural hierarchies are made to be bad when they...

I cannot help what others feel about the associations. These are just observations of society that people make. How culture changes, how it compares to the past, how moral mores have changed. I am not the first to make the observation and plenty have including from a non religious perspecvtive...

Yes the church corruped Christs church by becoming to controlling, sticking their fingers in the money jar. Power went to their heads. That seems to be a human tendency as well. We cannot be as one equal in Christ. But it was also that Christian truth that we are all made in Gods image with...

I am pointing out that your saying a hierarchy itself is abusive and controlling. I am saying with these examples they they are not in themselves and it takes an abusing person to make them so. But because people can also make hierarchies benefical and they can naturally form as a result of...

You certainly have some bee in your bonnet over the west. Every reply a dig at the west. The Christian truth principles and values I am talking about that the west supports are not exclusively western. In fact Christianity stems from the Jews, from the middle east spreading to the Gentiles...

Then there is nothing to discuss at all because there is no single cause of abuse. The only way we can discuss why people abuse and use violence is through links, correlations, associations, risks, determinants and protective factors. Some factors pr correlations are more prominant that others...

A hierarchy itself is not always about control. For example hierarchies of competence such as strength, social skills, or any human talent. Natural hierarchies are formed due to competence. The more competent individuals, groups or organisations sit at the top and have advantages because they...

I take note of your reply in the other post. But as far as evidence for how people are primed to abuse and be violent I think we first have to establish what we are talking about. I think that to establish whether someone has been primed to believe in abuse and violence we need to understand...

That males want to dress masculine and females feminine is based on our instincts, our sex hormones ect. Gendered styles of dress is only one part of why we dress. Within the gengered styles are influences based on sex such as makeup and many styles are based around exentuating male and female...

Fair enough, but you were happy enough to go along and buy in.

This has been brewing for years. We forget the spate of bombings and attacks these radical groups have done over the years, quite audacious, the twn towers attack, Bali bombing, 2005 London bombings killing 52 and injuring more 784, Boston Marathon bombing killing 3 and injuring 183, 2014 Lindt...

No I was pointing our the natural inclinations of humans due to evolution. Theres nothing creepy about that. Morality is beyond natural instinct and involves our moral sense which humans also have a innate ability to know. This actually in most cases opposes following our animal instincts beyond...