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  1. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    But the doctrine at issue is that of EENS: Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus/Outside of the Church there is no Salvation. And the attempts to reconcile this with classic, even "infallible" EENS statements fail. Some construe this to mean that since saving Truth comes thru their Church and belief...
  2. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    If this is a reason than her attitude and treatment of Jews for centuries prior to this must be also be considered. However, the question of the OP was not what V2 was called, but postulated reasons why "the Catholic Church to open the doors of salvation to non-Catholics," and if we consider...
  3. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    Actually, it is a warranted response to what I see as trolling, which began with your provocative misleading remark on the " good 'ol days," but will end here. Bye now.
  4. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    Rather, you are the one derailed.
  5. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    Perhaps you mean this history is more a blight upon the entire Christian family, than it is against the Catholic Church alone, since lest we forget, Protestants committed some atrocities as well. This is true if Christianity is defined in broad terms, as early Prots had to unlearn many...
  6. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    Meaning your dismissal of what is well-substantiated is absurd since it is based upon the spurious premise that since the source is the Internet then it cannot be true, while in no way was the veracity of my statement based upon that the premise that since I read it on the internet, it must...
  7. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    So you do deny torturing suspected witnesses of suspected heretics and exterminating those convicted thereby. OK, I will replace suspected witnesses with "even witnesses" since the suspected aspect of that is an extrapolation, but the well-documented fact is that torturing witnesses of...
  8. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    PeaceByJesus said: ↑ And also damning souls that were saved, and when "Christian Charity" could mean torturing suspected witnesses of suspected heretics and exterminating those convicted thereby. You mean you actually deny that torturing suspected witnesses of suspected heretics and...
  9. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    But if papal encyclicals require religous assent and can express (purported) infallibly defined teachings. However, historical (medieval) Catholic teaching is that, rather than the laity trying to figure what magisterial class each teaching falls under, and thus what level of assent is...
  10. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    And also damning souls that were saved, and when "Christian Charity" could mean torturing even witnesses of suspected heretics and exterminating those convicted thereby.
  11. PeaceByJesus

    Did WW II and the Holocaust Help to Ignite Vatican II?

    The V2 contradictory "clarification" was not directly related to the real horrors WW2 but the defeat of dictatorial powers is related and the arise of a freedom in the West. Thus this is also related to Rome's slow loss of her unholy unscriptural sword of men to compel conformity amidst...
  12. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    That re-baptism is a sin presumes the first baptism was valid, this being a convert's formal expression of the required repentant faith, (Acts 2:38: 8:36,37) and not an act itself effecting regeneration by which one is made actually good enough to be with God (until the remaining sinful nature...
  13. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    It is true, that as shown, distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (including how they understood the OT and gospels), which is Scripture, especially Acts thru Revelation. But to deny such is...
  14. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    Part 7: It is the heart-purifying regenerating faith behind baptism (all that we voluntarily choose to do is a result of what we truly believe, at least at the moment) that is counted for righteousness. And which evidences faith, and thus those who will believe and obey are promised salvation...
  15. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    Part 6: Next, John 3:4,5: Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of...
  16. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    Part 5: Next, 1 Timothy 3: 14-18: "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three...
  17. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    Part 4: Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain [binding]: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain [loosing], and the earth brought forth her fruit...
  18. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    Part 3: However, ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility as per Rome is nowhere promised or seen or essential for authority and preservation of faith, and is presumptuous, while the judgment of Matthew 18:15-17 requires the overall corporate consensus of the people. (cf. 2 Corinthians 2:10)...
  19. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    Part 2 (blame the 1800 character limit for the many posts): Next we have Matthew 18:15. This, extended to v. 20 states: Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he...
  20. PeaceByJesus

    Be brave to look at the evidences ! Is Catholicism right ?

    That is truly absurd. And that these texts are trotted out as establishing as "a fact" that Jesus built his Church on Peter, and that is the RCC as the one true church (OTC) is actually an argument against being a RC. Part 1 of who knows how many due to a 1800 character, not word, limit)...