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Before Jesus, if you sinned, you paid the consequences but there were no 'wages of sin being death" unless the specific sin warrented death. Then Jesus comes along adds death to all sins. And he expanded the list of sins. Before Jesus, it wasn't a sin to think about something. You had to...

Or someone who has met the holy G-d and found out that G-d is not a human man. I did not accuse G-d of any such thing, only Jesus. Big, BIG difference. BTW, there is no mention of Satan anywhere in the book of Genesis. The text says serpent, not Satan. You are reading something into it...

I think we started attending when I was around 8 years old. I didn't really start trying to get help with my problems until I was in my teen years but it wasn't like it was some secret. My father didn't quite understand that he was abusive and so treated me just as horribly in public as he did...

I think you probably understand me better than any other Christian I have ever met and I appreciate that. I am exactly as you say, clearing the false idols out of my life. I haven't come to a point though that I feel I need Jesus. I think the Old Covenant is just fine and do not see any need...

The claim is that Jesus died for our sins so that we could have eternal life but it seems to me that just the opposite is true. By that, I mean that Jesus didn't die for our sins at all. When we do something wrong, we still get blamed for it. In fact, if our sins our too great, instead of...

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I came from a disfuntional family. My father was very emotionally abusive to me throughout my entire childhood. As such I often went to the leaders of my church to take the place of my father. I was often times looking for direction but instead of ever addressing my problems, my problems were...

This has nothing to do with the rest of this thread but I felt it should be addressed. Jesus is NOT the Jewish messiah. Christians and Jews have very different ideas of what a messiah is and as such, Jesus does not fit the Jewish view of the messiah at all. And so it is completely wrong to...

Considering that Christianity blames all people for the death of Jesus, I don't understand how it is supposed to alleviate feelings of guilt. One of the reasons I deconverted is that I had nothing to do with Jesus' death and I reached a point that I was no longer willing to be blamed for it...

I grew up in Christianity and it was nothing short of a complete and total nightmare and so I can relate to what you are saying here. Recovery can happy but it's not going to come instantly. I deconverted in 97-98 and I still feel some lingering effects of my time as a Christian to this day...

Not quite. Someone mentioned the parable in Matthew 18 where one man was forgiven but his forgiveness was revoked because be he didn't forgive. I am not sure of what to make of the doctrine, "If you don't forgive, neither will it be forgiven of you." I don't know how this fits into Jesus...

There are no Jewish rabbis that believe that Jesus is the messiah. Anyone who holds that Jesus is the messiah is not a Jew but something else. Usually they are Christians claiming to be Jews. Right now, the disagreement between you and me appears to be mostly in semantics. The word prophesy...

I agree completely. But we kind of already covered that and moved on. Where I am righ nowt is that a consistent, logical Christian theology is thus: Jesus paid the price for everyone's sins and so G-d has forgiven everyone and not sentencing anyone to Hell. However, reconciliation is...

I do not "fail to comprehend." More accurately, I reject this idea. G-d is not a man, who is mortal, fallible and changes. G-d is spirit, invisible and eternal. That's actually a very good point. I admit to sometimes having doubts about whether or not I was ever a Christian. Some...

You both brought a good point that I over looked, self forgiveness. Maybe it is the case that Jesus forgives everyone but some choose damnation of their own accord because they refuse to forgive themselves?

We are no where near this happening in the west. When you wrote this, I kind of think you didn't quite keep in mind that your audience is not a Christian. I can't really comment other than to say I don't share the biases that you assumed in this post.

No. I'm saying that a doctrine that isn't universally true shouldn't be held. In this specific case, the doctrine is that faith naturally leads to works. This might be true part of the time but certainly not all the time. Many people have this kind of "faith" that do not put it into action. Many...

Excluding the first paragraph (I'm not a Christian), I agree with everything in this post. But I wasn't really talking the psychological aspects of forgiving or accepting someone's forgiveness. I was thinking more along the lines of what happens after a person dies and is judged.