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"""""the saving of ourselves for our own good, but by serving the God we love with love that God showed us.""""""" Isn't coming to the realization that we hold ourselves captive and need reconciliation equivalent to realizing the God we love on a functional basis? Is not saving ourselves...

[/font] They usually think that by claiming Jesus was ontologically God and infinitely perfect makes the alientation he felt with the sins of the world on his shoulders infinite. Of course, sin is not a "literal entity" and hwo it became a "transferrable commodity" are not answered. Other than...

From that link of atonement models, the moral example theory is the solidarity model of atonement. I'd personally call the solidarity model the best possible option for liberal Christians: (Joe) Metacrock has a page up on this...

http://www.acfaith.com/marcaninvention.html See my critique of this impossible claim. Vinnie

Is the process of dating Jesus' life circular? In order to find out when Jesus lived we must assume the Gospels are historically reliable and we end up begging the question. Is this true? [1] Jesus is said to have been Crucified by Pontius Pilate whose office can be dated from 26-36 A.D...

Just put up one long article that is broken into five seperate section. http://www.acfaith.com/pray.html Vinnie

Salvation as Enlightenment In Luke 2:32 the boy Jesus is called the "light of revelation to the Gentiles" by Simeon. John 1:9 and 3:19 tell us that the true light which gives light to every man came into the world in the person of Jesus. John 5:35 says that John the Baptist "was a lamp that...

Glad you liked it :)   Image 2: Estrangement and Reconciliation Another Biblical image of salvation involves the concept of "exile". To be in exile to to be separated from something to which you belong. A husband who did things he regrets and finds himself sleeping out on the couch...

Salvation and the Wounds of Existence Salvation is the business the Church is in. But what exactly is salvation? I would call the salvation of a person their being reconciled to God and experiencing the freedom that relationship produces. Obviously, if you are to be reconciled to something...

  Posting it here would be fine by me :)

  We see the "scriptures" differently though so we can't see eye to eye on this. You accept the veracity of the exclusive passages in GJohn whereas, I do not. Further, your understanding here is guided mostly by select biblical verses. Mine is guided through the overall picture...

All this conservative proof-text hunting is becoming tedious to me but I'll play a long for a little while longer: The pious Jewish woman who prays has found God. Further, she understands who God is in a sense. I would make the case that perfect or infallible beliefs about God's nature and...

Ben Johnson, in case you haven't guessed, we tend to see scripture somewhat differently (not just interpret differently!) so we may have to agree to disagree on this in the end. but i am doing my best to offer alternative understandings of things. Honestly, I don't see the Bible as being...

Why don't we know? If we know that knowledge of and conscious faith in the historical work of Jesus in this life is necessary foe salvation and sharing eternity with God then the answer is clear: Those who have never heard, those people of other faiths who love God and those aborted babies...

I think you've engaged in a bit of eisegesis here. The Gentiles Paul is speaking of who did not have the law could STILL HAVE BEEN AWARE of the law the Jews held without actually HAVING it. The text doesn't seem too clear on this point either way so you might be assuming something the text does...

I figured that and that was the reasoning behind my questions. Like you, I'm not too keen on that view. Not exactly a simple word to define. I wouldn't necessarily equate "salvation with heaven". The point of my paper is that explicit faith in the historical work of Christ is not...

I'm sure you could find scripture supporting this (e.g. I will have mercy on whom ... ) but I think I could raise scriptures that would also imply something very different from that view. I do not wish to caricature what you are saying but I see hints of the "you may already be a winner" Ed...

Are all people (Christians!) with explicit conscious faith in the power of Jesus' sacrificial in this life those whom God has saved? Are they the only ones? And for what reason does God choose some people over others? Thanks for the response, Vinnie

What do you mean by "God will save who he will save?" Is salvation totally random and completely arbitrary? Vinnie