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  1. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    So you believe (using example) God called you to have the chance to follow him But did not call me so no matter what I will not be able to come to him? These are my two questions, I understand how unclear I was before. I know we do not know why God calls personally, that is what I was trying to...
  2. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    Its all good Whisper. The Holy Spirit already convicted me for getting angry with someone over scripture. I'm done debating and simply seeking an answer... although I have to start concentrating more on my exam for tomorrow and leave this be for a bit. :)
  3. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    Well brother, I thank you for simply posting an answer rather than pushing an argument. I do know what a conjunction is, studying this for less than 4 hours on and off while I also study for a trade license I am going for tomorrow is throwing me off a bit. But the entire point of all this is not...
  4. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    Yes, that is what John 6:44 says. What about John 6:64-65? Sounds to me as a reason for John 6:44?
  5. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    I still see it as believers... what am I missing?
  6. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    John 6:43-51 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.&#8217...
  7. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    (foreknow) anticipate: realize beforehand I still see nothing where it says he randomly picked names out of a gum ball machine to be elect. It gives no reason as to why he picked who. I'm not saying I believe 100% he did not choose his elect, but there is a reason he picked who he picked and at...
  8. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    I don't see where it says anything about God picking a few people and forcing them to love him and forcing the rest to hate him... what part of Romans 8 am I reading wrong?
  9. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    Really something I need to study, but sounds much better than for God to draw bingo numbers on people theory
  10. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    That is what I believe at this time, but many times in the past I have believed things and God showed me I was wrong, I won't really know until I study it. But I do know how loving and wonderful God is, I know all the scriptures in the bible point against the theory that he randomly picked...
  11. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    No, it is because God is all knowing. for example if you are driving down the road and come to a three way, no matter what way you choose to turn God knows the outcome of all three ways. If you turn left there might be a speeding drunk that you would hit. If you turn right you might end up...
  12. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    So God doesn't know all? He doesn't know who would follow him and who would not? Besides, it does not say he doesn't pick them by there actions. It doesn't say why he picks them so by you assuming it is because he randomly hand picked people for no reason other than eni meni miny mo is also...
  13. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    I agree that it would be the truth, but to say he chooses without us having a choice if we can love and follow him is calling him a lier because he said he wants no one to perish. If he wants no one to perish but chose to force people to love him and force others to hate him then he is...
  14. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    Jesus talks about people will knock but he will say go away, I did not know you. That is where I get the idea he chose who he knows will follow him. He knew you and I would be having this conversation long before you or I were born. He knows who will follow him, those who follow him he knows...
  15. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    Anyone who says it, I have seen many people say that on here, other forums and outside of the internet. I'm not going to pick names, but when someone says God chooses who he wants and does not want it can have very harmful effects on some people. Not me, I could care less what man teaches to me...
  16. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    To me this is basically saying God chose those who he knew would answer his calling, who he knew would follow Jesus. I don't see it saying he chose a few to follow Jesus and forced the rest not to follow Jesus
  17. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    Many people I have heard say "God chooses us, we do not chose him" ...making it to me an understanding that There is nothing we can do to chose God, if God did not chose us we will always fall short no matter how hard we try to love and follow him because he did not chose us, he does not want...
  18. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    It says no where that I can see where God only chose a select few, I believe he chose everyone, if he did not chose all human creation then why did he lie and say he wishes no one to perish? God doesn't lie. Only possible other thing it means is he chose who he knew would follow him and put...
  19. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    I agree, but so many churches teach different things, I would never know what is right and what is wrong if I don't study the bible for myself. Its not a matter of knowing who is elect, it is so many believe God chose elect for no particular reason and cursed the rest for no particular reason...
  20. BeeWrangler

    Gods "chosen"

    There is just something about the bible having tons of scripture to teach everyone with ears and everyone with eyes to follow it and come to Jesus, so much scripture saying God loves everyone and wants no one to perish... but yet there is nothing in the bible that explaines why God "chose us" or...