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Nick, you still ranting and raving here? Why don't you answer the questions I put to you? 1) Why is the fossil record out of order for creationism? 2) Why don't you use the supernatural to explain your computer bugs? Your credibility has hit new lows by not reply to these questions...

It sure seems that way!

Nick are you there? Any comments?? Also, Nick why don't you use "god did it" to explain bugs in your computer code?

No Nick I am sorry you lost it. Please study some science (please, please, please, ....) before you post again. You would expect nothing more if I posted about LINUX (expect this line to be cut in his response).

I like how you changed from "examine the evidence with materialist blinders" to "scientists 'filter' the evidence". These are two very different things. Scientists look at the evidence (all the evidence) and look for materialistics interpretations. And guess what -- IT WORKS. Discoveries are...

Well, I believe it was you who first mentioned the fact that most people don't believe in witchcraft ... Checking ... Ah yes, post #51 or were you just quoting C.S. Lewis? As with most claims of the supernatural you can't do a scientific study refuting them since they can never be reproduced...

And we don't believe in witchcraft any more because .... drum roll please ... it was disproven by science. More exactly it was shown to be unreproducible under controlled conditions. It could still be true mind you, but since science disproved it, using the the scientific method, most people...

My comment was more along the lines of you accepting the results of science (technology -- airplanes) but you seem not to accept the methodology. Hey if you can come up with a methodology better than science that allows us to get at more of the truth I would love to hear about it. Actually...

If you don't know how to test for it then why do you say theoritically possible. What is the theory? I think you just hope it is possible. I have read some reports about prayer. There are almost the same number of reports on both sides of the issue. My question would be is what are you...

OK I'll bite. Could you enlighten us on how one can test for god and angels, etc. in a sceintific manner? I would like to hear how this is theoritically possible.

Actually the issue was resolved 150 years ago except for a few religious fundementalists. Evolution is science supported by the facts. Creationism is religion supported by faith (although many chirstains disagree with this). Evolution should be taught in science class and creationism should...

Uh... LambsLove both in this thread and in the plank thread we are just saying that science can't by its very nature address the supernatural. I think most in the E/C forum would agree that science can't disprove god (at least I would say it). Now on the other hand if you tell me that the...

Nick, I hope you realize how unstable and non-responsive your posts have become. Do you understand what Jerry and I have been saying? Science works (or do you think this incorrect) because it does not include the supernatural (just as your computer code does not include the supernatural) and...

If you allow supernatural causes in science then all theories are equally valid and none can be faslified. This is abandoning materialism. You don't believe god interfers with your computer program do you? If you did and could "prove it" would it make any sense to continue programming since...

Nick the key here is that YOU assumed it was a supernatural event. You can't make some else (Jerry or myself) assume it WAS a supernatural event. Hence to US your "whole post makes no sense". You can't state as a begining premise that a supernatural event occurred because that requires an...

No, I understand your point I am just saying that I don't think we can have scientific knowledge of a supernatural event in the first place. We may have scientific knowledge of a very strange event that we can't explain but that does not make it supernatural. It might be supernatural but that...

Once again randman gives an example of why science cannot deal with the supernatural. Thanks! Scientific proof of miracles is an oxymoron. Science can only disprove "miracles" not prove them.

randman, thanks for demonstrating the point I made earlier about once you allow one "god did it" into science then all of science becomes "god did it". Why stop with god creating complex life. Maybe god created the whole world looking old last Tuesday. Anything is possible. You can't tell one...