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Amen, Daneel! Yes He chose us, too; not by any merit on our part, but by His Good Will. Praise God! I am forever humbled..... :bow: I do think Behe's points are WELL worth considering, and considering very closely......

I've never heard it put this way before, it's very interesting--I'll have to think on this....

Yes it is becoming rather clear that I do not know God or Jesus as the JW's do, and for that I believe I am rather thankful. The JW's God is completely dependent upon the whims of mankind. The JW's God also has to operate completely by the understanding of man. He has been put in box of their...

Where are you finding this stuff? It's nothing but speculation. The bible does not say that he "knew" any of them before he appointed them. In fact the bible is pretty vague about most of the 3 years, and certainly doesn't describe what you are talking about. There was a time into the...

Comparing apples to oranges isn't going to get us anywhere. I've already said that we are too far apart on the whole issue of God's Will and Omniscience to go much further with this. The fact of the matter is, there is absolutely no way you can prove that Jesus did not know Judas was the...

Posted by Lightbearer: The requirments for appointment are layed out in 1 Tim 3: 1-13 one of which is: 1 Timothy 3:10 Also, let these be tested as to fitness first, then let them serve as ministers, as they are free from accusation. Also with Judas, Jesus would have tested him as to...

It seems to me you are reading an awful lot into the verses to make your pre-concieved notions ring true. I have no idea where you are getting your facts. everything you just posted above is pure speculation. And, if Jesus knew Judas was bad less than a year into his appointment, and let it...

That is a wonderful explanation! It makes total sense. It's very similar to what I was telling this person about the writers of the new testament. they put in little clarifying statements when they were writing the gospels, things that became very clear to them AFTER the death and ressurection...

I tried to rep you Hidden, but it said I had to spread some around before i could do it again. so I'll just give you some blessings!!! Thanks for all the great info! I'm really starting to get the big picture......

Ok, I'm new to reformed/Calvinist views, and would like some assistance on these two verses: Genesis 18:20-21 . . .Consequently Jehovah said: "The cry of complaint about Sod´om and Go·mor´rah, yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy. I am quite determined to go down that I may...

by what time?? by John 6:17? That was awfully early on do know that Judas was a thief and a traiter and not do something about so that Jesus was not a "sharer in his sins". You've already told me that Jesus didn't figure out Judas was the "one" until very late in his ministry--John 6 was NOT...

You know, this makes so much more sense then the other views(futurist views, i mean). Reading Chapter 12 again, you are right, it's very interesting!!!

LOL ROFL---You guys are great!!! :thumbsup:

Do we really need to keep going round and round here? Those verses you posted --Matt7:13, Heb 2:9, 2Co 5:14, 1Tim 2:5-6---say nothing whatsoever about God using selective forknowledge. The fact of the matter is-God does know who will be saved and who will not, and by knowing these things, it...

I agree that I do not believe that suicide is an unforgivable sin. The bible only mentions Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and I still haven't figured out what that is, exactly. I've heard a few mention that it is 'unbelief unto death', but I don't know. I think that it can't be lying to the...

As I mentioned, we are too far apart on the whole issue of God's Will to go much farther with this. The bible certainly says nothing to show when God is using Selective Forknowledge and where he is not. At least not in the NT. Oh, I was thinking, when do you think Jesus "figured out" it...