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:) Actually, that opens up something else to ponder. It's possible that as we are part of the universe we will never be able to comprehend how it came into being (Goedel's theorum). It follows that, if god exists, it is entirely possible that he has no idea how he came into existence. AL

Ah! Argument from incredulity. Education answers many such questions. I suspect that if I explain the physiology of the beating heart (electrical charge build up in the cells on the wall of the heart then a wave of discharge) you might ask how the charge build up occurs. I would answer and...

????? I asked "What question gives the answer "Jesus at the cross"?" AL

Interesting. If that's the answer then it must be the question that I don't understand. What question gives the answer "Jesus at the cross"? AL

So why are we penalised for original sin? So it is still legal to kill homosexuals, disobedient children and adulterers? The thing is, you don't understand enough to be able to answer my questions. AL

It is a matter of honesty. By not attributing it to its source you are pretending you wrote it. That's dishonest. It takes no time to provide a link or to give credit to the real author. Don't be dishonest in future. AL

This is not the first time BtW has pagerised someone else's work. But I have developed a good test of when he's doing it. If it sounds reasonable and coherent it's someone else's. AL

My proposition is at least as likley as all the hair brained ideas put about in all the forums I've been on. AL

Okay, if Jesus fulfilled the law that caused disobedient children to be killed then he also fulfilled the law that delivered the punishment for Adam and Eve's sin. In other words, he abilished original sin. Hence there was no need for Jesus blood sacrifice, no? AL

Well, that has actually happened (and been in place since federation). It's called a tax file number. Does that qualify as the mark of the beast? Over to you... (see, even I can join in this madness!) AL

Is the OT the Word of God? It says to kill homosexuals, disobedient children and adulterers. Are these moral punishments? Two simple questions. They shouldn't take too much of your valuable time to answer. AL

Ha Ha! Touche!

Impressive effort!

BtW is obviously pathologically incapable of answering a question, no matter how reasonable. AL

Is the OT the Word of God? Is killing a moral punishment for disobedient children, homosexuals and adulterers? Before the law was fulfilled was the earth supported on pillars? Was it flat? Did it have four corners? Did evolution start after the law was fulfilled? AL

Are you suggesting that all conspiracy theories are correct? AL

That accords with what I would call a reasonable Christian interpretation.

We are not talking here about Christianity, but your claim that ... "I believe the word of God, and the moral standard given by God is perfect, all of it." Is the OT part the word of god or not? AL

Kill adulterers: Lev 20:10 Kill Disobedient children: Exodus 21:15 and 17 Kill homosexuals: Lev 20:13 I recommend that you read your bible before defending it. AL

Don't be ridiculous. If I say "please give me $100" it is a request, not a demand. I know you don't believe that for one instant! How many disobedient children have you killed lately? How many adulterers have you stoned to death? How many homosexuals have you executed? AL