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But without free will you wouldnt have the chance or ability to choose for yourself, or learn from you experience or enviorment as you said. Life would be plotted out for you and your choices wouldnt matter because you had nothing to do with them.

Why does God allow suffering? What good is the view from the top of the mountain, if you didnt climb up? Would we be better off without free will? NO WAY. We would all be robots. Your thoughts would not be your own. Its like the cheesy Sci Fi movies, or invasion of the body snatchers... or...

Why not just focus on being a good Agnostic person? For some reason it bothers me when people seek to gain something by finding God/spirituality. We should thank and praise Him for his creations and works. Not the other way around. "Above all, you have to be able to love and accept yourself...

lol..... sorry i forgot all about this thread. thank you all for your tips and info. we bought a puppy instead, and that seems to keep us to busy to think of gardening!! lol. :D

well that does sound healthy :thumbsup:

In faith you are either seeking or avoiding. You seem to be avoiding. I know many people who search holy books for contradictions and other means and ways to disprove religious and spiritual beliefs. Not saying this is what you yourself do, but after reading your posts you seem more interested...

I have always been in a state of wonder towards the evangical atheists. I cannot for the life of me figure out what there beef is about. Weather their dislike and unapproval are with the God they don’t believe in, or His followers. Then to go about ranting about how religion spreads...

thats close enough for me. you dont have to be in far away lands to be a terrorist!!! :cool:

lol id like to go back one forum... but eh, 30 is nice... so far.

welcome poetstorm :)

Far Cry 2 is my crack right now. So when I get home Im going to get back to saving Africa from arms dealers. The world needs me!!

"Life is one big road with lots of signs, so when you are ridding through the ruff, dont you complicate your mind. Wake up and live." :) You ask for so much at 18 years of life. You want logical reasons for faith, well go find them. You want an opinion as to where all life/time started, well...

well said Sheepdog. THEY is US, for we all follow paths that lead to the same place.. Christ. any other difference is petty and most likely, no one elses buiness anyway.

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John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. <-- Jesus says follow me, for only he bares knowlage of the father. John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. :confused:

No offence but you need to kill your ego. All I have read in your posts is how Christianity can serve you. How can God present Himself to you… How can God serve you… Prove Himself to you. That is not what faith nor Christianity is about. I don’t mean to offend you, but this is my 2 cents… that...

I'd love to know what you mean by that. Should I be moderately saved? Maybe the question is, should you judge who is saved, who isn&#8217;t saved, and who will be saved? Who are you to put yourself on the same level as God and claim to fully understand his meanings and intentions. The Lord...

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We all do dumb things. You stated above that you sought out to be "cleansed" and "purified." The path has been laid before you, all you have to do is walk it. It sounds as if you have learned a hard lesson, but found a path to a better you(?) From what i gather from your story of course. Anyway...