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As of tomorrow morning I will be hospitalized for an important test I need that will determine if I qualify for brain surgery. There are many new advances these days in treating epilepsy like mine, and so therefore I might qualify for sugery that would either eliminate my seizures altogether...

This is not what s christophany is... In order to have a true christophany the name associated must also be One associated with the Lord... You state first that Michael is pre incarnate. We know that only God is pre-incarnate. Therefore not created. We know that there is an ArchAngel Michael...

Is that all you were trying to say to me too? Dang did I misunderstand you too? If I did then I am :sorry: I thought you were advocating the same premise as the OP. If I truly did not understand what you meant by that then please accept my apologies. BTW, as debiwebi, I saw what you...

This still does not Michael=Christ make all this does is state the obvious that I have already attested that I also believe in that Christ appeared as the Angel of the Lord in the OT .... I don't deny that He did either.... Also the definition I posted was enough for me to come to the lengthy...

I just was not understanding what you were saying I truly am sorry I misunderstood please forgive me..... I guess the subject is a little personal to me because of growing up a JW and the thought of it really bugs me a little bit.... It was so hard to get all of that stuff out my head in the...

You ask for Scriptural reference that he is called a lamb in the OT I give the Prophet Isaiah Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our infirmities and carried our sorrows: and we have thought him as it were a leper, and as one struck by God and afflicted. Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our...

I don't like this transliteration of YHWH, as it is not accurate but a lot of Bibles use it sorry about that ....

OH :doh: Sorry I wasn't getting what you were trying to say .....

Shoot Ok I kept reading which I should have done the first time .... But Revelation makes clear that they are two entities not one .... There are four hoprsemen and they are sent out by the Lamb who is the Lamb to send them out and each Horse has a rider .... Relevation 6 He breaks the...

Umm The Word .... The Lamb and dhordes of others as well why? I still do not understand, please be more specific, you are losing me .... I am truly confused as to where you are going with this .... I understand that Christ is also Called the Angel of the Lord meaning the Father, but it is...

Jdg 13:13 The LORD's angel answered, "Your wife must be sure to do everything that I have told her. Jdg 13:14 She must not eat anything that comes from the grapevine; she must not drink any wine or beer, or eat any forbidden food. She must do everything that I have told her." Jdg 13:15 Not...

OK what are you trying to say here I did not touch this post originally because I did not understand if it was for or against .... I still don't .... Woody you have me confused .... can you expound upon this please ....

I do not understand why you would not mix tha OT with the NT as the Whole of the Bible is the Inspired word of God and there for to be able to teach us properly? So this does not equate to me, as the NT did not null and viod the OT, all it did was Fulfill it... Psa 91:11 For he hath given his...

If I show in Psalms where King David did would this be sufficient?

That may be one way of looking at it too, but the fact is we are still about Truth.... Now I may believe in the intercession of the Saints and you may not.... But this does not equate to giving liscence to then giving privledge to the advocation that Christ=Michael just so that a Catholic could...

And I am here to simply prove that this is genuinely incorrect in nature .... this has never been nor never will be one of the Teachings of the Church. It is neither Biblical nor is it part of the Churches teachings .... This Teaching was and has been declared heretical by the Church. Also...

Chris·toph·a·ny n. An appearance of Christ, as to his disciples after the crucifixion. The problem was that this was actually the Lord appearing to them and not the use of a Vehicle or messenger... or angel .... therefore, this would still equate Michael as actually being...

You know when rereading this I picking this out and saw this that Spurgeon actually siad and wrote.... Actually I agree with this, and this is taught within the Church.... Salvation is not by works for all of us are sinners and are none of us are deserving of it.... Therefore it is said in...

Also another argument to make here, is if Michael can be equated to Christ then what about the Comforter? Who then is the Comforter/Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost also equated to? If Christ is Michael and also an Angel then so must be the Comforter or so it stands to reason. Because the Comforter is...

Now to do this again .... I lost this the first time I posted .... I stand corrected .... I went to the Watchtower site and found out that this is indeed coreect teaching on their behalf... Recently when they came to my dorr I asked this question of them and they flat out denied they...