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  1. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    Nice :) It sounds like we have experienced emergence differently. For me, the most significant thing about it is the postmodern aspect, meaning that emergence questions more than has answers, and in those questions, and the discussions based upon it, we find the real truth, which is not...
  2. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    I'm basing my opinion of the Emerging Church on having been a part of it and seeing it grow over many years. Are you willing to admit that the Deity of Jesus might be wrong? That there's more to spirituality than the Holy Spirit and the Devil/demons etc.? That the Bible might not be...
  3. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    Anyone who has read Brian McLaren will know that what that bit of Wikipedia says is pretty much exactly what he says.
  4. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    The primary point of the Emerging Church is that we don't have all the answers, or aren't tied to any particular tradition. I don't uinderstand why you would say it is exclusively Evangelical, although that's a very Evangelical thing to say. In my experience the need to seperation your self...
  5. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    This is great: The emerging church (sometimes referred to as the emergent movement or emergent conversation) is a Christian movement of the late 20th and early 21st century that crosses a number of theological boundaries: participants can be described as evangelical, protestant, roman...
  6. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    Well you will find the reality is that all evangelical ideas are being rightly questioned. And isn't stating clearly the nature of the Emerging Church sort of missing the point? But anyway, if the Emerging Church, or any Christian or Christians are re-examining their whole worldview, then it...
  7. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    Honestly who knows what would actually happen, but isn't a lot of the point of Biblical teaching to try to stop doing what we "can't help" doing? Perhaps that's what's going on now, people can't help worshipping Jesus, but he's trying to get them to listen.
  8. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    It's not that surprising if you think about it. Look at the amount of time spent singing about Jesus, talking about him as being people's friend, saviour etc. Compare that to the amount of time listening to what he said as opposed to what Paul or the Old Testament says? Imagine Jesus is there...
  9. Cleany

    The Emerging Church needs to break away from Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism

    Fundamentalism, Evangelicalism, they both do 2 things, they worship idols. They have made an idol of Jesus and they worship him. They do it because it feels good, I don't blame them one bit. The Emerging Church needs to break away from all of this. Perhaps even to go so far as removing songs...
  10. Cleany

    The Jesus Seminar

    For me it's a matter of whether you're interested in facts or wisdom. There's a wisdom that Jesus had that those interested in Biblical inerrancy will possibly never find. That's what they're trying to piece together, they're trying to understand Jesus as a person, not a symbol of the church...
  11. Cleany

    New World Order

    "their" agenda? is being totally paranoid a necessary psrt of being a christian?
  12. Cleany

    New World Order

    how can you be sure that your radical outlike on life and religion isnt inflluenced by the devil? how do you know that your pre-requisite extremisim isnt disguising you from the fact that you too are a mindless drone? jesus was a radical - but he was a radical against a conservative religious...
  13. Cleany

    What is a "fundagelical"?

    christian fundamentalisms roots are in evangelicalism, and the beliefs of fundamentalists and evangelicals can be interchangeable. the term describes therefore many christians whos beliefs and/or behaviour cannot fully be satisfied by the term "fundamentalist" or "evangelical". personally i...
  14. Cleany

    Tolerating intolerance

    i didnt have time to read the article but first of all the question confused me - but then i realised. the problem only exists for people who see life in terms of rules and set boundaries. i choose to be tolerant or i simply am tolerant. it just happens. it is something that i do. it describes...
  15. Cleany

    i need asistance loving Jesus.

    its a bit of a wierd question - why would you aspire to love jesus? even if you did reach your goal - wouldnt it feel a bit wierd knowing that it came about by somewhat artificial means?