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  1. ottaia

    Being Born Again

    What brought up the thought is meeting people who were "born again" and people who went through a long dark night of the soul. [glowing generality] It seems that born-again folks don't seem as whole as dark-night folks. [/glowing generality] It is as if that pain and struggle creates a new...
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    With George W in office, no one's tax dollars are safe!
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    Being Born Again

    OK, we all know what people mean when they talk about being born again, right? They mean that the "found Jesus" and suddenly the world is rosey red. But let's think about it: When we are born, is the world rosey red? No. The world is bright, loud, and cold. Being born is a dangerous...
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    Paul didn't talk about sexual orientation. That concept would have been foreign to him.
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    Darn! That was good! Exactly the way I remember it! But they must have put a "slow virus" in my mineral water because it took 20 years for the mind control to take effect.
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    I Don't Understand Fundementalists

    That is what I am trying to say. I preach, but I try not to do it from some high and mighty spot. I preach what I feel I am lead to preach, but I know that I could be totally wrong. That is why I like having the adult class to discuss what they heard. I encourage questions. I loved the...
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    I read the book and they try to follow scientific procedure. Still, I was not impressed.
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    There was a study that tried to prove the power of prayer. The problem I had with it was the whole "if you pray, God will make the person better, if you don't God will make the person die" mentality...
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    Jumpin' in without reading all that is going on but I can't help myself: How dare you have the audacity to say that I am not a Christian. You leave me with two unlivable situations. 1) I do not have enough faith even though I have prayed, fasted, gave alms.... 2) God doesn't like me. Ok, 3)...
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    What Are You Giving Your Life To?

    I totally do not understand why someone would sit in line for 5 days to get an iPhone. Is a silly toy worth giving 5 days of your life? People will not give a Sunday morning to God but will give 5 days of their lives to an idol. Maybe people don't see this as idol worship. Can someone...
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    So Dorm-bot, you just agreed that chruch is evil.
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    Sparticus, I knew a man who went to church and died there, I guess that must mean that churches are evil?
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    But that is what the ex-gay folks offer. Sad, isn't it.
  14. ottaia

    Definition of "opposite sex"

    So what is your suggestion? (Not asked as a challenge but out of interest.)
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    3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

    No, he has been out of it for what...28 years now, why would he be in it?
  16. ottaia

    Isn’t marriage between a man and a woman really excellent?

    Sounds like entrapment to me. Besides, by the time I got here, the post was "ed". Thanks for quoting so I could see it.
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    Isn’t marriage between a man and a woman really excellent?

    Good old Spraty has been quiet for a while.