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Good Evening,

I'm in a really tough and, in many respects, weird situation theologically. I grew up in the Roman Catholic Church, and I greatly admire it in many ways. I think Catholic critiques of Protestantism that suggest the movement has become a theological mess are fair, although I do think some Catholics have exaggerated the claims. I also love the history of the Catholic Church, liturgy, the stunning beauty of cathedrals, the sense of community in good parishes, and a whole lot more.

With that said, I continue to have some very important, very strong objections to Roman Catholicism that keep me from rejoining the Church. One of the most important is that I do not believe the arguments for the Catholic understanding of the infallibility and supreme authority of the papacy are supported by history or scripture. I see the value in having a single visible Christian leader, but no matter how many times I've studied the issue and prayed about it, I have never been convinced that the evidence supports such a claim -- and I have been studying it for many years now.

I'm not writing this post to be convinced that the Catholic Church is the "best" church, or to argue that you should stop being Roman Catholic. Rather, I'm asking your advice about what I should do while I continue to study and pray about this and other issues. I cannot take communion in the Catholic Church, because I don't agree with its teachings on core issues, but I'm not sure what else to do. I feel so awkward attending a church where I really cannot be a parishioner in good faith. But attending Protestant churches has felt strange too. I'm just at a total loss, and not sure where to go from here. I've spent the past decade trying to sort all this out, and I've had no luck, no matter who I've talked to, how much I've researched, or how hard I've tried to understand all of this.

Any help, advice, prayers, or guidance would be much appreciated.

-Justin
 

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I think just continual study and seeking the Lord’s guidance is your best bet. Papal infallibility is commonly misunderstood. See here:

As you may or may not know, the Catholic Church is not Sola Scriptura. See here:

Maybe looking into early Church history as well as discussing your doubts and seeking guidance from Catholic sources such as a priest or spiritual director could help guide you through. Checking through the Catechism of the Catholic Church to search out the topics that disturb you can help as well. There are Scriptural references to all of it to refer to.

There are also knowledgeable Catholics here to help guide and support you as well. Prayers for your discernment on your journey.
 
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One of the most important is that I do not believe the arguments for the Catholic understanding of the infallibility and supreme authority of the papacy are supported by history or scripture.
How about Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church?
 
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I'm not writing this post to be convinced that the Catholic Church is the "best" church, or to argue that you should stop being Roman Catholic. Rather, I'm asking your advice about what I should do while I continue to study and pray about this and other issues. I cannot take communion in the Catholic Church, because I don't agree with its teachings on core issues, but I'm not sure what else to do. I feel so awkward attending a church where I really cannot be a parishioner in good faith. But attending Protestant churches has felt strange too. I'm just at a total loss, and not sure where to go from here. I've spent the past decade trying to sort all this out, and I've had no luck, no matter who I've talked to, how much I've researched, or how hard I've tried to understand all of this.
It's ok, you're in a sort of Christian no-man's land right now. I was too for a while back from about 2011-2015. I hadn't converted to Catholicism yet but I was searching. I spent a couple of years examining Eastern Orthodoxy and then a little while taking a look at the Continuing Anglican movement. I came from an evangelical background so my first step was recognizing that liturgical worship was what God prescribed for us, and I went from there.

Don't beat yourself up about where you're at, illuminating your intellect is a process the same as it is for anybody else.

You don't have to, but it might be edifying for you to reach out to your nearest parish and speak to a priest or an RCIA coordinator. There's a non-committal phase of RCIA in the beginning called inquiry that handles a lot of Q&A, it's just for people to have questions answered and a basic understanding of the faith to be shared.

You seem well-learned but I think even those of us who studied a lot can still have confused ideas about Church teaching, especially the issues that tend to be sticking points. I know I did, and it helped to start by making sure I was defining the terms correctly.
 
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It's actually a recognition of man's free will.
God gives us the freedom to recognize Him, listen to Him, and to do His will.
God also knows the future.
Given these two truths, it is possible for a man, even a Pope, to go astray.
But there will also be a day of accounting for every human, including the Pope.
So at the End of Time, all these things will be set right.
So in the meantime, it is still possible to do your best to follow the understanding that God gives you, and to act in a way that pleases Him.
Keep the example and way of the Good Samaritan in your heart, and the Stations of the Cross before your eyes always.
These will be a good guide
 
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Good Evening,

I'm in a really tough and, in many respects, weird situation theologically. I grew up in the Roman Catholic Church, and I greatly admire it in many ways. I think Catholic critiques of Protestantism that suggest the movement has become a theological mess are fair, although I do think some Catholics have exaggerated the claims. I also love the history of the Catholic Church, liturgy, the stunning beauty of cathedrals, the sense of community in good parishes, and a whole lot more.

With that said, I continue to have some very important, very strong objections to Roman Catholicism that keep me from rejoining the Church. One of the most important is that I do not believe the arguments for the Catholic understanding of the infallibility and supreme authority of the papacy are supported by history or scripture. I see the value in having a single visible Christian leader, but no matter how many times I've studied the issue and prayed about it, I have never been convinced that the evidence supports such a claim -- and I have been studying it for many years now.

I'm not writing this post to be convinced that the Catholic Church is the "best" church, or to argue that you should stop being Roman Catholic. Rather, I'm asking your advice about what I should do while I continue to study and pray about this and other issues. I cannot take communion in the Catholic Church, because I don't agree with its teachings on core issues, but I'm not sure what else to do. I feel so awkward attending a church where I really cannot be a parishioner in good faith. But attending Protestant churches has felt strange too. I'm just at a total loss, and not sure where to go from here. I've spent the past decade trying to sort all this out, and I've had no luck, no matter who I've talked to, how much I've researched, or how hard I've tried to understand all of this.

Any help, advice, prayers, or guidance would be much appreciated.

-Justin
Without an authority [check keys to the Jewish norms/culture of the times = authority] what do ya have?? Lost confused wandering sheep. Also too many cooks = spoiled broth. Assistants, aids etc but not all are tops.
How many presidents in any country? Or top leader?
All out chaos, and in fighting at the worst level. That's what it would be. It's no different in the governing of the Lord's Church which is why the FATHER Almighty choose Peter.
See that... ?
And anyway, check the lineages of the Pope. St Ireneaus said not all were as important to know as the line of Peter.

Historically, as well as theologically there is, was and will forever be only ONE. But like all governments, aids and assistants are important. BUT all know their place. Or they should.

That aside there are the Catholics who are in the same Church but culturally different.
See the list of Rites.
 
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NOW in conclusion if the CHURCH will never teach heresy... because the gates of hell shall NOT prevail. Jesus is not wrong; then the choosen leader can not teach theological error.

No matter his personal preferences, opinions, ideas, choices... theologically he cannot teach error.
 
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Unless. That is a very important word, because it recognizes the fact that Jesus chose Judas as a disciple, and kept him close to the end. He was one of the 12 at the Last Supper.
And yet Judas chose the wrong way voluntarily.
But that was not a solitary point in history, but a very important one to make note of.
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Something to think about.

1) Try praying the Rosary for assistance.

2) If you truly feel that the Holy Spirit is pulling you to Catholicism, it’s no error. You may have to just accept it on faith that the Church’s dogmas are true without necessarily understanding them.
 
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With that said, I continue to have some very important, very strong objections to Roman Catholicism that keep me from rejoining the Church. One of the most important is that I do not believe the arguments for the Catholic understanding of the infallibility and supreme authority of the papacy are supported by history or scripture. I see the value in having a single visible Christian leader, but no matter how many times I've studied the issue and prayed about it, I have never been convinced that the evidence supports such a claim -- and I have been studying it for many years now.
You are not alone. From my reading, I came to the conclusion that "Authority" was the underlying reason for the East-West Schism and the protestant reformation.

I sometimes ask what did any Pope ever proclaim using his charism as the Visible Head of Christ Church on earth that bound you to something you cannot accept. I get a lot of "I dunno"
 
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How about Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church?
How about the OLD CATHOLIC Church?

The Old Catholic churches reject the universal jurisdiction of the pope, as well as the Roman Catholic dogma of papal infallibility (1870), which was used to proclaim the Roman Catholic dogmas of the Assumption of Mary (1950). While Old Catholics affirm the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, they do not emphasize transubstantiation as the sole dogmatic explanation for this presence. Old Catholics generally refrain from using the filioque[6] and deum de deo[citation needed] clauses in the Nicene Creed and also reject a dogmatic understanding of Purgatory; however, they generally do recognize a purification by Christ's grace after death and include prayers for the dead in their liturgy and devotions. They maintain such basic western Catholic practices as baptism by affusion (pouring of water) and the use of unleavened bread in the Eucharist. Additionally, they have many aspects in common with the Orthodox, Lutheran and Anglican churches, such as optional clerical celibacy.[7][8] The Old Catholic Church accepts the doctrines of the Christian Church prior to the Great Schism of A.D. 1054

 
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