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I have a question which is probably really simple for everybody else.

I finished reading Ezekiel and he prophecied against Israel and then the rebuilding. In Ezekiel it talks about the rebuilding and in 48:35:


"The distance all around will be 18,000 cubits.
And the name of the city from that time on will be:
THE LORD IS THERE."

Is this to come as in Revelation - which I have never read - or has it been rebuilt as when I have read Jersulem being rebuilt in previous book or is this symbolic which I really dont believe since such a vivid and exact descripition is involved.


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Truly Blessed said:
I have a question which is probably really simple for everybody else.

I finished reading Ezekiel and he prophecied against Israel and then the rebuilding. In Ezekiel it talks about the rebuilding and in 48:35:


"The distance all around will be 18,000 cubits.
And the name of the city from that time on will be:
THE LORD IS THERE."

Is this to come as in Revelation - which I have never read - or has it been rebuilt as when I have read Jersulem being rebuilt in previous book or is this symbolic which I really dont believe since such a vivid and exact descripition is involved.


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I am sure you are going to get different interperatations Truly Blessed , but when it comes to numbers and images in prophetic books (Ez. and Revelation) then I would go down the symbolism road......

many things in Revelation are just to symbolic to be taken literally.
Epecially numbers/digits :wave:
 
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cygnusx1 said:
I am sure you are going to get different interperatations Truly Blessed , but when it comes to numbers and images in prophetic books (Ez. and Revelation) then I would go down the symbolism road......

many things in Revelation are just to symbolic to be taken literally.
Epecially numbers/digits :wave:
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I want to leave the book of Revalation out of this if at all possible (since I have never read it and hear that book has a lot of symbolism in it.

I am just trying to figure out Ezekiel - if that is possible?

Thanks
 
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Hi,
I read a little on Ezekiels Temple while hanging around with the Messianics for the last couple of years. Like them I don't believe we should view everything in the word in a 'spiritual' context. I try to read it as literal, take it at face value 'first', and then ask the Lord for the deeper meanings. Scripture has deepening levels of interpretation.

I believe this Temple to be the Temple of the new millenium. Here is a web page to see the comparison between the New and Past Temples:

www.yashanet.com/library/temple/index.htm

You'll notice that there will be sacrifice but not sacrifice for sin.

Blessings
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BTW: There's no need to be embarrassed to ask this question. It shows you to be a real 'thinker'! This is a subject that has been extensively studied, especially by the Messianics and Jews, and is such an interesting topic. I had a ball reading and learning all this stuff!!

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Irishcat922 said:
I think that any time you read the Old testament especially the Prophets you must interpret them through the new testament. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old testament revelation.
I fully agree with what Irishcat just wrote. Because this is the way Jesus and the apostles did it.
Read Acts chapter 15 very carefully, then the letter to the Hebrews, Galatians, Romans etc.
We MUST NOT return to the old Aaronite system - that would be completely unbiblical and antichristian.

God bless
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OK, I agree, we must interpret the OT through the NT (hmm..what scriptures did they study in the first forty years of Christianity till the NT books were written??) I also believe that the Aaronic priesthood has been done away with and that WE are the Temple built with living stones. But does that say there won't be another Temple built in the Millenium? Won't it be a totally different dispensation to what we are experiencing now? We really have no idea of how the new Millenium will operate; just as we have no idea how Revelation will work out in experience. I don't for one minute believe I, or the Messianics or the Orthodox Jews have all the answers to Ezekiels Temple. Having a look at the comparisons is an interesting exercise though. If anyone can interpret Ezekiels Temple through the NT, I would be very interested to read it too. :)

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Tavita said:
If anyone can interpret Ezekiels Temple through the NT, I would be very interested to read it too. :)
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I shall quote from "A Case for Amillennialism; Understanding the End Times" by Kim Riddlebarger, Baker Book House ISBN 0-8010-6435-X. (pages 77-80)

Jesus declarded of himself, "One greater than the temple is here" (Matt. 12:6) and told the Samaritan woman that he could give her "living water" (John 4:10-14). Such declarations give us a major clue that the authors of the New Testament reinterpreted the premessianic understanding of God's temple in light of the coming of Israel's Messiah. The temple occupied a principal role in the witness of Israel's prophets regarding God's future eschatological blessing for the nation. When we see that this imagery pointed forward to Jesus, we can better understand the nature and character of the millennial age.
Let us consider the Old Testament expectations regarding the temple of the Lord. Both Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-5 speak of God's future blessing on Israel in the last days when his people will go up to the temple on the mountain of the Lord and learn his ways. In Isaiah 56 we read of those who hold fast to God's covenant (v. 4) and love the name of the Lord and keep his Sabbaths (vv. 6-8). God will bring them to the holy mountain and the temple, which will be a house of prayer for all nations (v. 7). A similar vision was given in Isaiah 66:20-21, which says that the Israelites will bring their grain offerings to God's temple, and he will renew his priesthood. In Zechariah's prophetic vision we learn that one day Israel will once again offer sacrifices acceptable to God (14:16-19).
With all this prophetic expectation in the minds of Jews living in Palestine in the first century, it is no wonder that Jesus' declaration of God's judgment on the temple- "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down" (Matt. 24:2)- came as a shocking offense. How dare this man say that their expectation of a glorious temple was fulfilled in him! He said, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days" (John 2:19). It was not until after Christ's resurrection that the meaning of these words became plain to his disciples. When he spoke of the destruction of the temple, he was speaking of his own body (John 2:22). This is what he meant when he said that one greater than the temple had come.
Ezekiel prophesied that the temple will be rebuilt, the priesthood will be reestablished, sacrifices will be offered, and the river of life will flow from this temple. How we interpret this prophecy will have a significant bearing on the question of a future millennial age upon the earth.
It should come as no surprise that dispensationalists believe that this prophecy will be literally fulfilled in the millennial age. According to J. Dwight Pentecost,
The glorious vision of Ezekiel reveals that it is impossible to locate its fulfillment in any past temple or system which Israel has known, but it mus await a future fulfillment after the second advent of Christ when the millennium is instituted. The sacrifical system is not a reinstituted Judaism, but the establishment of a new order that has as its purpose the remembrance of the work of Christ on which all salvation rests. The literal fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy will be the means of God's glorification and man's blessing in the millennium.

Traditional amillennialists criticize such images of perpetual animal sacrifices and temple worship after the second advent of Christ, saying this would undercut his saving work, especially since these aspects of Mosaic economy were fulfilled at Calvary. So Pentecost is careful to argue that Ezekiel's prophecy is not connected to a renewed Mosaic economy but to an entirely new order, one which commemorates the saving work of Christ in the past (my question here: where is this written in scripture??).

But is this what the authors of the New Testament taught us about these prophecies? We have already seen that the New Testament taught that Christ is the true Israel and David's greater son. The Old Testament prophecies regarding Jerusalem and the mountain of the Lord are fulfilled in Christ's church. The promise of a land, as we have seen, will be fulfilled in a new heaven and earth in the consummation. Likewise, the New Testament taught that Christ is the new temple and that a new order of commemoration involving the ceremonies typical of the earthly temple can only commemorate the types and shadows, not the reality. This presents a serious problem for dispensationalists, who argue, in effect, that redemptive history takes a U-turn in the millennial age, as the reality in Christ now supposedly returns to the types and shadows of the Old Testament.
How, then, is the temple imagery from the Old Testament fulfilled by Jesus Christ in the New? In Exodus 40:34 we are told that the glory of the Lord filled his temple. When viewed against the backdrop of redemptive history, we see how this pointed to Pentecost, when, through the indwelling Holy Spirit, the glory of the Lord filled his true temple, the mystical body of Jesus Christ ( 1 Cor. 12:12ff.). If Christ's body is the true temple and as Paul put it, "We are the temple of the living God" (2 Cor. 6:16), what use remains for a future literal temple? That to which the temple had pointed is now a reality through the work of the Holy Spirit. Why return to the type and shadow?
It is also clear from Hebrews 8-10 that Jesus fulfilled the priesthood typology of the Old Testament in his death, and he put an end to the sacrificial system in his own blood once and for all. The author of Hebrews said, "We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man" (Heb. 8:1-2). If the reality to which the Old Testament sacrifices and priesthood pointed is found in this true sanctuary and tabernacle in heaven, why look for a return to the shadows in the form of an earthly temple, which pointed us to this heavenly scene?

Contrary to the view of dispensationalists, the prescribed New Testament commemoration of the ratification of the new covenant will not be found in a new order of temple worship, which includes a new temple, a new priesthood, and further animal sacrifices, supposedly in an earthly millennial kingdom. At he Last Supper Jesus told his disciples, "This is my body given for you; do this in remebranceof me..... This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you" (Luke 22:19-20). He instituted the divinely approved method of commemorating his sacrificial work, the sacrament of the Lord's Supper. In this way, the people of God feed on the Savior through faith and commemorate his dying on their behalf.
Jesus told the Samaritan woman that he could give her living water and that "whoever drinks from the water I give him will never thirst again" (John 4:14). Jesus declared that he fulfilled the image of Ezekiel foretold in chapter 37 of his prophecy, when he spoke of water flowing from the sanctuary. If Jesus is the true temple of God, he alone gives us the "living water" which takes away the thirst of human sin and longing.
Therefore, the dispensationalists' insistence on a return in the millennial age to the types of the Old Testament sacrificial system amounts to a serious misunderstanding of the nature of redemptive history. By arguing for a new commemorative order based on Old Testament typology in the millennial age, dispensationalists see the future not as a consummation but as a return to the past. And this, of course, sadly obscures the person an work of Christ by seein the ultimate reality not in him but in the types and shadows destined to perish when the reality entered the theater of redemption.

:wave: I strongly recommend you read the whole book.....
 
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I would love to read the whole book but am having trouble finding the book online. Neither Amazon or Baker Book House have it.
Thanks for the quote, it's answered a few questions for me. It really is about Him, isn't it!!

Everything, is about HIM.

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Tavita said:
I would love to read the whole book but am having trouble finding the book online. Neither Amazon or Baker Book House have it.
Thanks for the quote, it's answered a few questions for me. It really is about Him, isn't it!!

Everything, is about HIM.

Tavita

EVERYTHING must always be about JESUS! :thumbsup:

And here is the link to Riddlebarger's book:
Amazon.com/direct link to his book
(read the 14 reviews!)

God bless!
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Thank You for your posts. When I posted OP it was after I have been up for 17 hours. Unless my time zones are off, I believe this type of temple has not been rebuilt and I have problem when reading :

Ezekiel 45:21-25
21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering. 23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering. 24 And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah. 25 In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.
If this was to literally occur this would be against Jesus because he became the sacrifice.

Will continue :scratch: for awhile longer.
 
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