Baptised Catholic or converted to Catholicism through personal choice ?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Metanoia02

Owner of the invisible &a mp;
Jun 26, 2003
3,545
290
Visit site
✟20,203.00
Faith
Catholic
Ukok,

Don't worry about how it came out on paper, those of us who have converted know exactly where you are coming from.

I was raised in a Lutheran family. Baptized and confirmed in the Lutheran Church. I went to a Lutheran until the I was 11 year old. I also went to a Baptist school for a few years because the Lutheran school only went to the sixth grade.

I had a rather immature relationship with God. But probably typical for a young man. As with most young people when the grow up they cast off all forms of authority. Unfortunately for me one of those thing included my religious convictions.

I stumbled through my life, through college and a career. I was a self made man. I was the master of my universe. Or so I thought. I never attended church except for the ocassional Christmas or Easter service. I still believed in God, but I definately didn't have any use for organized religion.

My wife-to-be and companion for many years was Catholic, although she didn't practice it except for the mandatory holiday services. About 5 years ago, God decided enough was enough, so He sent me a little wake up call. Without going into detail, He clearly pointed out to me that I was not in charge of my life He was.

In my own way I reconciled myself with God, I bought a Bible and started to read Scripture. But I still didn't care for organized religion. I didn;t want to have to deal with the people.

Without any community to support my new found religious awakening, it quickly evaporated and I went back to my standard routine.

After a number of job changes and moves my wife and I decided to settle down in Tennessee. She moved first because she had a job to go to. It took me six months to sell our house and get another job. But in the mean time my wife started to attend the local parish church in Tennessee. For the first time she really began to grasp the importance of her relationhsip with Christ and its implication on her life.

Back in Tennessee we started to attend Mass on Sundays with her more to support her new found faith then anything else. Over time I began to become familiar with the Mass and I actually started to listen to what was being said. To say the least I was shocked to hear basically the same things I had heard growing up in the Lutheran church. The Catholic Mass once I listened to and understood it was nothing like I was lead to believe.

One Sunday during Mass, when the priest raised the Eucharist and proclaimed like he does every Mass. "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the World". At that moment, for the first time, it bacame real to me. This indeed was Jesus Christ. This wasn't some meaningless ceremony, this was Christ offering Himself to me. The same Christ who's broken body and spilled blood won salvation for His people.

At that point, I was compelled to find out more about the Catholic Church. What do they really teach? I wanted the truth. So I embarked on an educational adventure that continues to this day. Reading the history of the Chruch, it's people, it's saints, it's catechism. Needless to say I found the answers I was looking for. But more importantly I found a Church that truly worships the One True God. Protestant churches are fine and have some great features, some have outstanding ministers the can really teach the Scriptures and stir the hearts of the faithful, some have wonderful music programs that make the soul soar. But in the Catholic Church I found a place that I can worship God. I can get on my knees and worship. I can go to Mass and still be in awe of the presence of Christ. I could never give that up. It is my connection, it is my lifeline.

Don't worry about being too romantic. None of us can help but to be romantic. As the Church. the Body of Christ, we are His bride who has fallen deeply in love with Him and await that eternal wedding feast in heaven.

Regardless of the chioce you make, please know that this community will be here for you in your journey of faith.

Peace
 
Upvote 0

Bastoune

Well-Known Member
Jul 14, 2003
1,283
47
50
New York, NY, USA
✟1,694.00
Faith
Catholic
In this nasty, godless, secular, anti-Christian world in which we live, I am amazed at one thing that everybody, regardless of race, color, or creed, have in common: hatred of the Catholic Church!!!

Jehovah’s Witnesses hate her. Mormons hate her. The media hate her. Atheists hate her. Muslims hate her. “Evangelical” Fundamentalist Protestants hate her.

Satanists of course hate her. They hate her more than they do other Christians. So much so, that their “Black Mass” is a total mockery of the Catholic Mass. Satanists have for centuries broken into the tabernacles of Catholic Church altars in order to steal the Communion hosts, in order to defile them in rebellion to Jesus Christ. For the Catholic Church teaches, as the Bible and Church fathers teach, that that is truly the flesh of Jesus Christ. Hmmmm…..

I find it interesting that all these opposing, diverse factions seem to loathe the Catholic Church with equal zeal and fervor. Very fascinating how even those who call themselves Christian are steadily trying to debunk her teachings, and draw her members away into their countless, bickering denominations.

It appears the whole world hates the Catholic Church!!!

Jesus told his disciples: “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.” (John 15:18-19).

In light of this evidence, it became clearer and clearer to me that the Catholic Church MUST be the TRUE Church of God, established by Jesus, and preserved by the Holy Spirit. But in my journey of faith, I discovered greater proof of this not only in seeing the Holy Spirit at work within the Catholic Church throughout the ages, but also seeing how the Holy Scripture validates each one of those “outrageous claims” she makes about herself.

However, this is only one-billionth of a fraction of the TRUE reason I am Catholic. For my faith is something very dear to me, something so precious… a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ which cannot be fully explained in human words.

I am 29 years old (born November 5, 1973), have lived almost everywhere but I currently reside in New York City (for 4 years now). I have also lived and studied all over Europe.

I grew up in a devout Catholic family. It’s funny but whenever I bring this up, I must say that my parents raised me right. Why? Because they did not force me to believe anything. They did make me go to C.C.D., go to church on Sundays and all, but I know many people (Protestant and Catholic) who have come to resent having their families shove religion down their throats. But not mine. I was expected to be a good Catholic boy but there was just the right amount of liberty in there (also, not to mention the fact that my parents respected me, just as they expected that I respect them… very biblical principles reiterated in Ephesians 6 and 2 Timothy!) where I was free to “leave” the Faith if I so chose. But I didn’t. God called me to follow Him. Jesus became the central focus of my life at a very young age.

My first images of Christianity were found in the gorgeous artwork of my local parish. The statues, the paintings, the stained glass windows, nuns and priests in attire that I was not used to seeing other people wear… and especially the image of Our Lord dying on the Cross. Too young to understand everything, because I was only 2, I did know even then that there was a God out there who loved me and Jesus was His Son who died for me! I was beginning to enter the family of God as a child would, because indeed I was one! No need to doubt or worry! Just as Jesus told his Apostles one should enter the kingdom of Heaven.

But it was at age three when I had my “conversion” and my first personal encounter with God. My father was intent on teaching me how to pray, and telling me about God. He gave me a beautiful wooden crucifix which we put up above my bedroom door.

We prayed together one night the Lord’s Prayer and that is when the Holy Spirit truly seized me. It felt right. It was beautiful. I was communing directly with God! I was “hooked.” So every night like this before bedtime I would pray with my dad. Then we would take down the crucifix from above my door and I’d “kiss Jesus good night.”

My path continued throughout school as such, going to catechism classes, attending Church, but most importantly, growing in my studies of the Scriptures (especially the Gospels) and PRAYER!!!

It wasn’t until I went to university that I met real opposition for my faith. Not only from non-Christians (mainly atheists) but so-called Christians who denounced the Catholic Church as the “harlot of Babylon” and all those things. I really wasn’t sure how to react. How can a kingdom divided against itself stand? A Church like the Catholic Church, so firmly rooted in the Scriptures, Apostolic Tradition, and preserved by the Holy Spirit never seemed to me to be preaching anything contrary to the Gospel! Sure there will always be bad people among her ranks, but the Church is composed of sinners. I cannot put my trust in mere men, only in God! I was troubled and had trouble answering a lot of attacks because I’d never heard them before (and it's hard to defend yourself against a claim about your beliefs which is not even representing your beliefs!). Luckily I had not only good teachers and clergy who’d given me great instruction in the Bible and Church history, not to mention a very close bond with God through PRAYER – something I have continued to cultivate from childhood into adulthood. Ultimately lies cannot stand in the light of God, and from that moment forth I began to find a “mission” in my life: to obey the Lord’s call to unity by trying to unite all Christians in Spirit.

What really got me on-fire for apologetics was when an anti-Catholic teen (former Catholic, turned "Bible-believing" Christian -- though not "Bible-applying/practicing") sent me anti-Catholic literature, and in response I wrote her a 15-page rebuttal to every false point she'd sent me. It was more proof that there was something sinister in the movements against the Church.

It isn't an easy task to seek unity among Christians, when people claiming to be Christian disobey the Lord’s commands and ignore key elements of the Bible (picking out a few verses, rejecting others, and fashioning from that a theology!), the book they declare the only rule of their faith.

As years passed, I noticed that God was using me as an instrument through which to work out His plan in the lives of other people. May I not sound arrogant to suggest this (but as it is written, “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.” - Jer. 9:24), but the Lord has blessed me with a gift to reach into the hearts of men and women, and open them up to His grace. On several occasions, I have met people from all walks of life, who have met me and opened up to me, and sought counsel and spiritual advice from me, even though they hardly knew me. Strangely enough (oh, but what a joy it is to have the name of the Lord glorified through His own works within me!), the Lord would put upon my lips the right words to say, the wisdom I was lacking in my own simple, human mind, and the compassion to teach, counsel, guide, and enlighten.

Not only does the Catholic Church consider the whole Bible when discussing theology, we go through the whole Bible in 3-years time, unlike non-liturgical services which tend to ignore great portions of it.

Everything is coherent, complete, logical, and doesn't take "twisting" verses to support a point. We take the Bible very literally and seriously.

I used to think that church was "secondary" and in a sense it is, to one's personal relationship to Christ. Still, we are called to be the BODY of Christ, not lone-ranger Christians. I have come to a great love of the Church and the Lord touches me in many ways in the Mass, in the Eucharist, and through the whole body of believers.
 
Upvote 0

Skripper

Legend
Jul 22, 2003
9,472
544
63
Michigan
Visit site
✟30,691.00
Faith
Catholic
nyj said:
<Insert Anything Here> Catholic is, to me, oxymoronic.

If Catholic means Universal, breaking that down into groups is self-defeating. Which is why I refuse to be called "Roman Catholic".


Just an aside. "Catholic", in addition to the common meaning of "universal" comes from the Greek "katholikos" which itself comes from two separate Greek words, "kata" (according to) and "holos" (the whole). So the actual literal meaning would then be "according to the whole." This has some interesting implications regarding how and why the term first came to be used with respect to the universal "Catholic" Church, distinguishing it from others that either never were or no longer were "according to the whole." Where "the whole" would, seemingly, be "the whole" of Christ's teachings as opposed to some portion of them.
 
Upvote 0

ukok

Freaked out, insecure, neurotic and Emotional
Mar 1, 2003
8,610
406
England
Visit site
✟19,706.00
Faith
Catholic
Firstly may i thank you all for responding so enthusiastically to my initial thread posting. I was overwhelmed (in a good way!), when i checked in here and found so many people had taken precious time out of their lives to respond to my questioning. Thank you all. I apologise for the lenghth of the following post, but i felt that as you were all so kind to me, it should be recipricated.

chanterhanson,

The Midlands are (strangely perhaps) in the Middle of GB. The area from which i originate is most famous for it's pottery, canals, Arnold Bennett (the writer), Robbie Williams ( the singer), Stanley Mathews ( famous footballer). Of course, none of this will mean anything to you probably - but i'm afraid i don't know how else to explain my location!

Thankyou for understanding how confusing this time is, both for me personally and for the Churches in England particularly. I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me.

I appreciate your prayer also.

Spotty,

Wow, you have experienced so many things in your relatively young life.
I don't mean to patronise - but you come across as being very mature in your faith, and well grounded with God. Thank you so very much for your reply, I really enjoyed reading how you came to find your home in the Catholic church. You have given me great food for thought in your response.

pax,

Thank you for your response. I am grateful.
I am pleased that you love to be Catholic, that's wonderful.

Carly,

I particularly want to thank you for the link that you included in your post, I am sure that i will spend a good deal of time reading through and perhaps, relating to, the conversion stories on the site.

I loved the words you wrote about 'longing to be Catholic', they really touched me. I also echoe your love of tradition, and though i am fearful of it, i am also mesmerized by it. I need formulation to my prayer and worship, and though my High Anglican C of E Church is very orderly, I feel it is not touching me, feeding me. I still feel that there is something missing, perhaps this is Gods way of drawing me to the Catholic Church ?

Having said that, I may remain where i am, i don't wish to give the wrong impression here, until i am absolutely certain of God's will in this, I shall do nothing.

Aaron-Aggie,

You give wonderful advice! Your suggestion to put my faith in the LORD and pray is just exactly what i plan on continuing to do.

Thank you for replying to this thread, I really do appreciate it.

Shelb5,

I am very grateful for your response. Much of what you mention about the Catholic reverance for God, the confession of sin, the desire to please God and seriousness of faith, expresses much of what i have known of Catholics personally, although in any denomination or religious order, there are differing degrees and elements of seriousness of faith and reverence to God!

I am impressed that you sought to find out 'the truth' for yourself, by setting out to learn about the Catholic church. This is what i feel i am now being called to do.

Thank you Shelb5, I much apprteciate your taking the time to respond.

freakyroad2,

I am so pleased to be sharing this journey with you and with the many others that find themselves wishing to follow Gods will! I am in total agreement and sympathy with the 'lack of knowledge' thing, there is so much to know, and i am so very forgetful.lol.

I too am actively attempting to research Catholicism so that if it is Gods will for me to convert, my conversion also will be based on fact, faith and emotion. (You said it so much better than i could)

I do sincerely pray that your spiritual journey will only lead to a strengthening of your faith and love for the LORD.

Addaperle,

Lourdes? Wow!, I know so many who have been, I was even given a knecklace as a gift from Lourdes ( i lost it years ago, sadly), that's the closest i ever got to the place! I know i shouldn't envy, but i would just love to be able to go to Lourdes. I am so pleased that you had the experience that you did while you were there, how incredible that must have been. Thank you.

Metanoia02,

thank you for your understanding of my confused post. Much of your post echoes my own relationship with the Lord and with organised religion, i too have a reluctance to deal with people. But now, like you once felt, there is a need for truth and i also desire to embark upon an educational adventure, there is so much that i want to know and learn. It is overwhelming.

Thank you so much for your comforting words and sympathetic and understanding post. I truly appreciate all that you have written.

Bastoune,


I was so touched by the story that you related of your your childhood and how you found the LORD so young - i almost cried! How incredible your experiences appear to me - and how i wished that God had been evident in my families household as i was growing up, how i wish that i had had the benefit of a parent who had desired to teach me to pray. I am so pleased for you that you knew God, so early in your life. I am sure that God has great plans for you, I pray that you will continue to help people, as you feel that you have been guided to do thus far in your life. Thank you.

---------------------------------------------------------------

As i said in the opening lines of this post, i was completely bowled over by the response to this thread, I am so appreciative of God's grace in allowing me to fellowship with you all here, it means a great deal to me. Thank you all. sorry for the length of the post, I ramble, in case you didn't giuess that already!

(hope i didn't miss any one out - that is not my intention, just my human failing)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Miss Shelby
Upvote 0

Caedmon

kawaii
Site Supporter
Dec 18, 2001
17,359
570
R'lyeh
✟49,383.00
Faith
Catholic
Politics
US-Others
nyj said:
Well, I see very few Catholics are calling themselves "cradle Catholics" even though they were baptised as infants.

Can I take that to mean that other people hate that phrase as much as I?
Well, it makes me feel less eligible to be a full member of the Church, being a convert-in-process, since I was not Catholic at the "cradle." So yes, I find it to be very demeaning for people that have not been Catholic for their entire life, myself included. :sigh:
 
Upvote 0

Caedmon

kawaii
Site Supporter
Dec 18, 2001
17,359
570
R'lyeh
✟49,383.00
Faith
Catholic
Politics
US-Others
Regarding converts being more serious about their faith...

I have been told by Catholics that converts are "the life" of the parish. I don't know exactly how true that is, but I also heard many years ago from a Catholic friend that converts are often "better" Catholics than those that were raised Catholic. Of course, that is just what other Catholics have told me.
 
Upvote 0

MariaRegina

Well-Known Member
Jun 26, 2003
53,258
14,159
Visit site
✟115,460.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Married
Dear friends in Christ,

Familiarity breeds contempt.

Some "cradle Catholics" as well as "cradle Orthodox" wrongly feel that they have done their duty to the Church. They count on their fingers the number of years that they have sung in the choir, directed the choir, played the organ, served on the altar society, ushered, served on the parish council or taught religious education, then they feel that they can retire.

Converts, on the other hand, are "Johnny-come-latelys." They have just finished a lot of instruction and are in awe of the Church. They are ready to evangelize the whole world. They want to serve God with their whole being for all the graces that they have received.

I guess there is a temptation to lean back and let other folk do all the work. I always appreciate the zeal of the new converts. They always inspire me to try harder.

Lovingly in Christ,
Elizabeth
 
Upvote 0

Filia Mariae

Senior Contributor
Jul 27, 2003
8,228
734
USA
Visit site
✟11,996.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Private
Regarding the converts being better Catholics thing...I think you will find that in any religion, the converts are among the most active and dedicated. Because you have to care an awful lot to change churches, or from a non-Christian religion. Most people stay comfortably in the religion of their upbringing, whether they really believe what it teaches or not.

Converts tend to generally be excited about things, because its newer for them. I also think converts have a better appreciation for what they have in the Church, since it cost them more.

That said, these are all generalizations. Some converts are lazy in their faith. Many, many "cradle Catholics" are excited and energized about their faith.
 
Upvote 0

Filia Mariae

Senior Contributor
Jul 27, 2003
8,228
734
USA
Visit site
✟11,996.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Private
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Theresa

With Reason
Nov 27, 2002
7,866
198
46
✟24,289.00
Faith
Catholic
Bastoune,

My parents were like that to. They made sure not to be narrow-minded, as in, they think they are right about everything. They're willing to look deeper to see if a thing proves itself or not.

My parents, too, knew how to find the balance between raising me right and giving me freedom. I find in my everyday life and relating to other peoples of different belief systems, I think it has given me the ability to think for myself without judging other people for thinking for themselves. It gave me the ability to recognize that none of us are perfect, and that everything is worth studying without pre-judgement.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.