No man is perfect, what Sin?

Kam_Islash said:

No...i did not.

I only said that doing it while thinking about a married woman was wrong, because for the love of Pete thats your neighbor's wife you're thinkin about!

I personally fantasize, but never about someone who I know to be a married woman. The women of my fantasies are always single. Single and consenting.

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I think that you can better not fantasize about any woman. what ever if she is married or not she is not yours! and if she is not yours your are wrong(lev 20:10)

mart said:

I think that you can better not fantasize about any woman. what ever if she is married or not she is not yours! and if she is not yours your are wrong(lev 20:10)

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That passage is talking about actually having sex, not fantasizing, there is a difference. For you to say that fantasizing is a sin, you claiming that the Bible teaches there are "thought" crimes.

Kasey, maybe I should clarify:

Though it may not be sinful in your view to think of another woman when with your wife, is it not ungentlemanlike?

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Also, to say that there are "thought" crimes or sins is also to make the Law of God grevious and a burden to bare. The scriptures, in 1 John 5:3, state that those commandments are not greivous. Therefore, no thought sins or crimes. To make it that way is to make it grievous indeed.

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However when you look at 1 John 5:4 it continues verse 3, "for whatever is born of God conquers the world. And this is the victory that conquers the world, our faith." So he's saying that it isn't burdensome because we are born in Christ, who conquered the world. We just need to rely on Christ.

Now if there were no thoughts that were sins, then any christian could in their heart say "God I hate You!" but still follow his commandments, apparently loving HIm, but hating Him with his very being. Now you may ask what their motive would be, and I answer that it would be the promise of heaven, and the dread of hell. So according to you the person would not be sinning.

I also want to define temptation. (This is from www dictionary com remove spaces and add dots)

\Temp*ta"tion\, n. [OF. temptation, tentation, F. tentation, L. tentatio.] 1. The act of tempting, or enticing to evil; seduction.

When the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. --Luke iv. 13.

2. The state of being tempted, or enticed to evil.

Lead us not into temptation. --Luke xi. 4.

3. That which tempts; an inducement; an allurement, especially to something evil.

Dare to be great, without a guilty crown; View it, and lay the bright temptation down. --Dryden.

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Now notice it does not include an act, it is just an enticing to do something, not an act outside, niether an act inside in our thoughts.

I want to say that to say there are no such things as thought sins would be going against the ten commandments.
Exodus 20:17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor." The greek word here is eÍpiqumeÑw, which means

1. to turn upon a thing
2. to have a desire for, long for, to desire
3. to lust after, covet
   1. of those who seek things forbidden

(I honestly don't know any greek, I'm just using various resources.)


Now if sin is going against God's will, and coveting something, which is a mental thought, is a sin, we can say that there are mental sins.

Romans 7:7 "What then should we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet, if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, "You shall not covet." But sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, producing in me all kinds of covetousness. Apart from the law sin lies dead."
Now first it says that coveting is a sin, however that doesn't mean being tempted is a sin. It says that sin was seizing the opportunity, not the desire to sin, which is to be tempted. You can be tempted to covet, but to covet the thing is the sin, not the temptation.

2 Timothy 2:22 "Shun youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart."
Now how is it possible to have a pure heart if there is no such thing as a sinful thought. Then the words pure heart would have no meaning whatsoever. However it does have significance because there are such things as pure and impure hearts.

Matthew 15:19 "For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultry, fornication, theft, false witness, slander." Intentions are obviously thoughts, however if you were to say that you cannot have sinful thoughts, then neither could you have evil intentions, for what is evil (this kind of evil) but that which is morally wrong or against God's will, and what is sin but disobedience to God.

Matthew 18:7 " Woe upon the world for all of its evils. Temtation to do wrong is inevitable, but woe to the the man who does the tempting." Temtation is the natural consequence of living in the world.

Kasey said:

That passage is talking about actually having sex, not fantasizing, there is a difference. For you to say that fantasizing is a sin, you claiming that the Bible teaches there are "thought" crimes.

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[bible]Matthew 5:21-28[/bible]

Those verses succesfully refute the point you keep trying to make, they refer expressly to thoughts and not actions.