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Sabbath Keeping and The Gospel

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The gospel teaches that salvation is accomplished entirely by God’s grace in Christ and received through faith apart from works. Because justification is finished, obedience is no longer a means of earning acceptance but a grateful response to it. Within this framework, seventh-day Sabbath observance can be understood not as a legal requirement but as a freely chosen act of worship that confesses God as Creator and Redeemer. Resting on the seventh day does not compete with Christ’s finished work; it bears witness to it by declaring that human striving is not the ground of salvation.


The Sabbath itself precedes the Mosaic covenant and is rooted in God’s creational rest, indicating that its purpose is not merely ceremonial but formative—shaping human life around dependence on God rather than productivity. In Christ, the Sabbath’s deepest meaning is fulfilled, not erased: believers enter true rest by trusting in Jesus’ completed work. Observing the seventh day, therefore, can function as a gospel-shaped practice that reinforces this truth rather than undermining it, much like prayer or generosity—disciplines that do not justify but express faith.


New Testament freedom does not require the abandonment of embodied practices, but their reorientation. Paul’s insistence that believers not judge one another regarding days protects consciences from compulsion, not from devotion. A Christian who honors the seventh day “to the Lord” does so in freedom, not obligation, and thus remains fully aligned with justification by faith alone. Such observance is not a denial of fulfillment in Christ but a voluntary participation in a creational rhythm that points to the rest He provides.


Seen this way, seventh-day Sabbath keeping is not a rival to Sunday worship nor a boundary marker of spiritual status. It is a, grace-driven response to the gospel—an enacted confession that God alone creates, redeems, and restores His people. Far from contradicting gospel theology, this posture applies its central insight: that the gospel does not abolish obedience, but transforms its motive, meaning, and spirit.
I compare it to when you find your beloved and marry, the anniversary is a special day, and you show much love by remembering it.
 
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I compare it to when you find your beloved and marry, the anniversary is a special day, and you show much love by remembering it.
I would definitely remember it, if it were special to my spouse.

Myself, I say Be nice to me the other 364 days!
 
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The gospel teaches that salvation is accomplished entirely by God’s grace in Christ and received through faith apart from works. Because justification is finished, obedience is no longer a means of earning acceptance but a grateful response to it. Within this framework, seventh-day Sabbath observance can be understood not as a legal requirement but as a freely chosen act of worship that confesses God as Creator and Redeemer. Resting on the seventh day does not compete with Christ’s finished work; it bears witness to it by declaring that human striving is not the ground of salvation.
The same can be said of "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7

But it cannot be said that these are not commands of God. They are in His own legal code. The one that defines what sin is as Rom 3 says (and so also Rom 7 and 1 John 3:4).
 
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The same can be said of "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7

But it cannot be said that these are not commands of God. They are in His own legal code. The one that defines what sin is as Rom 3 says (and so also Rom 7 and 1 John 3:4).
They are God’s commands and must be obeyed perfectly. God does not grade on the curve. Aren’t we all greatful that God laid the inequity of us all on Him and perfected us forever with Jesus one perfect sacrifice? No one can find righteousness by trying to obey the law. The law can only condemn.
 
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They are God’s commands and must be obeyed perfectly. God does not grade on the curve. Aren’t we all greatful that God laid the inequity of us all on Him and perfected us forever with Jesus one perfect sacrifice? No one can find righteousness by trying to obey the law. The law can only condemn.

I believe the idea that we can obey the law successfully is a form of Pelagianism, since it implies salvation based on our own energies rather than through willful acceptance in the the uncreated grace of God (or in the case of Calvinists, they would say the reception of grace is involuntary and I’m disinclined to argue with them on this point).
 
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God is our Judge if we know what is wrong and do it anyway, it’s sin. God only knows the hearts of other people why I try not to judge people as they may not be as close in their walk, but are getting there, I encourage people to go by what God says in His holy word.

Well regarding the specific example of going out to eat after church, since Christ gleaned wheat with His Apostles on the Sabbath and also the alternative would be the less restful practice of preparing a meal oneself, well, there exists no Scriptural basis to say that any food-collection activity on the Sabbath would be sinful.
 
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This thread was moved from Denomination Specific Theology to Sabbath and The Law, which is the more appropriate place for this topic.
 
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"IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My commandments" EX 20:6
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:3-4
"what matters is KEEPING God's Commandments" 1 Cor 7:19
Where "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2

Deut 4 "God spoke the TEN Commandments"
Deut 5 God spoke and wrote the Ten Commandments on stone "and added no more"
(indicating that the TEN are included in the moral law of God written on the heart in Jer 31:31-34under the New Covenant

But that does not mean someone who has no Bible at all will necessarily know about the commandment not to Covet (for example)
Why do you assume that Jesus is meaning the ten commansments rather then the things He asks us to do on a daily basis? It seemes that most of the discussion comming from sabbatarians is moralism. It comes off to many of as if we keep "his commandments" then we love him. On the surface this sounds pious but there are problems with this.

The first problem is assuming that Jesus is talking about the Ten Commandments. While the moral principles of the Ten Commandments are reflected in Jesus’s ethical teaching, John 14:15 specifically points to the things Jesus Himself commanded His disciples to do, chiefly the mandate to believe in Him and to practice self-giving love toward one another.

The second issue is in the abuguity baked into the phrase "keeping" it is an undefined verb and seemes to suffice just to announce that you "keep" the sabbath or any other law for that matter.
But the biggest issue of all is the fact the moralism is consistatntly discussed up stream from Grace and God's perfecting us through Jesus single sacrifice while still making us holy. The fact that I can stand before God as if I have never sinned because Christ stood before him as me seems to be the son we should all be singing.
 
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Why do you assume that Jesus is meaning the ten commansments
Deut 5 says "He spoke the Ten words and added no more"
Eph 6:1-2 says "the first commandment with a promise is Honor your father and mother" (this is only true inside the TEN
Jer 31:31-34 the New Covenant writes God's Law on the heart. The law that includes the TEN that Deut 5 says "God spoke these ten words and added NO More"

Matt 19 when Jesus is asked about the commandments He quotes from the TEN. So also does Paul in Rom 7 so also does James in James 2.

The Temple in Jerusalem was still up and running all the time that Paul was writing and they held that God directed that only the TEN be kept inside the ark of the covenant in that temple.

The Ten are not the only moral laws , but they are the ones specifically singled out not just in Old and New testament but ALSO in "Westminster Confession of Faith" section 19, "The Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19, the Catholic Dies Domini regarding the moral law of God for all mankind, Catholic Catechism on the Ten Commandments... etc
 
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They are God’s commands and must be obeyed perfectly. God does not grade on the curve. Aren’t we all greatful that God laid the inequity of us all on Him and perfected us forever with Jesus one perfect sacrifice? No one can find righteousness by trying to obey the law. The law can only condemn.
True of "Do not take God's name in vain" and "Love God with all your heart" and yet still not an argument for ignoring God's Word
 
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I would definitely remember it, if it were special to my spouse.

Myself, I say Be nice to me the other 364 days!
You spouse never said "only be nice to me on our anniversary"
Jesus never said "only be nice to me on My Holy day , the Sabbath of the Lord thy God"

That is not an argument in favor of rebellion against His commands
 
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You spouse never said "only be nice to me on our anniversary"
Jesus never said "only be nice to me on My Holy day , the Sabbath of the Lord thy God"

That is not an argument in favor of rebellion against His commands
It wasn't intended to promote rebellion against God

Jesus talked about how if we love him, we will want to keep his commandments.

Praise the Lord Jesus forever!

And if we engage in amazing Bible exegesis
And have not love
It amounts to nothing

So some marriage partners regard every day alike. Some have special days.

So it is in people's relationship with God. Some will benefit from having a special day, others will benefit from having all days alike

And glory to the Lord Jesus forever
 
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Why do you assume that Jesus is meaning the ten commansments rather then the things He asks us to do on a daily basis? It seemes that most of the discussion comming from sabbatarians is moralism. It comes off to many of as if we keep "his commandments" then we love him. On the surface this sounds pious but there are problems with this.

The first problem is assuming that Jesus is talking about the Ten Commandments. While the moral principles of the Ten Commandments are reflected in Jesus’s ethical teaching, John 14:15 specifically points to the things Jesus Himself commanded His disciples to do, chiefly the mandate to believe in Him and to practice self-giving love toward one another.

The second issue is in the abuguity baked into the phrase "keeping" it is an undefined verb and seemes to suffice just to announce that you "keep" the sabbath or any other law for that matter.
But the biggest issue of all is the fact the moralism is consistatntly discussed up stream from Grace and God's perfecting us through Jesus single sacrifice while still making us holy. The fact that I can stand before God as if I have never sinned because Christ stood before him as me seems to be the son we should all be singing.
This is how we know the include the Ten Commandments exactly how God said them....


Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

What many people may misunderstand thinking the heavenly temple is completely different than the earthy one, but God had Moses make the temple according to the pattern of heaven Heb8:1-5 Heb9:23-24 the ark of the covenant was in heaven first, the earthy one tells us what it is, as it was patterned after it.

What is in the ark of God's covenant, the tabernacle of the Testimony.

There is no need to guess the Bible tells us:

Exo 25:21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you.
Exo 40:20 He took the Testimony and put it into the ark, inserted the poles through the rings of the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.
1 Kings 8:9 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets of stone

What is the Testimony of God?

Exo 32:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Its what God wrote on stone, what did God write on stone?

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.


Exo34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

We are told what God does is forever, nothing can be added to it, nothing can be subtracted from it, but we are to fear before Him

Ecc 3:14 I know that whatever God does,
It shall be forever.
Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.

God does it, that men should fear before Him.

In God's written and spoken Testimony God called the unit of Ten- My commandments- "to those who love Me, and keep My commandments" Exo20:6

So in Revelation when we see God's saint still keeping God's commandments (His version, not what was changed by the beast Dan7:25), that enrages the dragon Rev12:17 Rev14:12 Rev22:14 its what is in the ark of the covenant, in heaven , God's Ten Commandments Rev11:19 where His word is settled Psa 119:89 that God claimed as His, nothing can be added to nothing can be subtracted from its God's personally written and spoken Testimony. The whole Bible is about the testimony of God through His prophets and apostles John5:39 so we should not reject the greatest Testimony of all, God's Exo31:18 lets not add to it or take from it, but fear God and keep His commandments, His version, mans all Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:6-12
 
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The fact that I can stand before God as if I have never sinned because Christ stood before him as me seems to be the son we should all be singing.

Jesus Christ forgave Adam's sin and all our sins on our souls at the time we were baptized, as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:18-20.

When a person commits a sin, God sees it. God sees us as we truly are. Nothing can be hidden from God; he is omniscient.

After our baptism, Jesus Christ will forgive our sins when we repent and confess them; he will remove them from our souls. This forgiveness of sins justifies us and makes us righteous.
 
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Ecc 3:14 I know that whatever God does,
It shall be forever.
Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.

God does it, that men should fear before Him

"Forever" lasts as long as the covenant is in force.

Why has circumcision, God's commanded gateway for all males to enter into the first covenant, been made obsolete by the new covenant?

Circumcision was not a forever commandment; it was a commandment for as long as the first covenant was in force.

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail. 12:1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

The ark of the covenant that is seen in heaven is Mary, the mother of Jesus. Her womb was the tabernacle for Jesus, the son of God, for nine months.
 
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"Forever" lasts as long as the covenant is in force.

Why has circumcision, God's commanded gateway for all males to enter into the first covenant, been made obsolete by the new covenant?

Circumcision was not a forever commandment; it was a commandment for as long as the first covenant was in force.
Circumcision was a result of sin and came after the fall. Circumcision was given through a mediator, never made for mankind.

The Sabbath came before sin at Creation Exo20:11, made for mankind Mark2:27, before the fall and was made directly by God. Its the holy day of the LORD according to the LORD Isa 58:13 Exo20:10 Mark2:28

The Ten Commandments is God's works
Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

The Testimony of God Exo31:18

No one can add to or take from God's own Testimony, at least no that that fears God Exo20:20 Ecc3:14 Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:6-12 over fearing man. Isa 29:13 Mat15:3-14

The ark of the covenant that is seen in heaven is Mary, the mother of Jesus. Her womb was the tabernacle for Jesus, the son of God, for nine months.
Thank you, but I am going to stick with what the Scriptures states.


Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

What many people may misunderstand thinking the heavenly temple is completely different than the earthy one, but God had Moses make the temple according to the pattern of heaven Heb8:1-5 Heb9:23-24 the ark of the covenant was in heaven first, the earthy one tells us what it is, as it was patterned after it. Mary didn't even exist yet.

What is in the ark of God's covenant, the tabernacle of the Testimony.

There is no need to guess the Bible tells us:

Exo 25:21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you.
Exo 40:20 He took the Testimony and put it into the ark, inserted the poles through the rings of the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.
1 Kings 8:9 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets of stone

What is the Testimony of God?

Exo 32:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Its what God wrote on stone, what did God write on stone?

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
 
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Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

What many people may misunderstand thinking the heavenly temple is completely different than the earthy one, but God had Moses make the temple according to the pattern of heaven Heb8:1-5 Heb9:23-24 the ark of the covenant was in heaven first, the earthy one tells us what it is, as it was patterned after it. Mary didn't even exist yet.
The Book of Revelation contains past historical vignettes and near-future and far-future vignettes.

The first covenant's ark was made obsolete when Mary, the new covenant ark, conceived the Son of God. A new covenant requires a new priesthood with new laws concerning how to worship God. Hebrews 7:12

The first covenant's Saturday Sabbath worship services and its laws were made obsolete by the new covenant's Sunday worship assemblies and its practices on the Lord's Day.


Mary is the ark of the new covenant.

Steve Ray explains that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, drawing typological parallels between her and the Ark of the Old Covenant to highlight how God’s presence transitions from spiritual to physical dwelling.
Key Parallels Identified:
  • Divine Presence: The Old Ark contained the Stone Tablets, Manna, and Aaron’s Rod; the New Ark (Mary) contains Jesus, who is the Word of God, the New Manna, and the High Priest.
  • The Visitation: Elizabeth’s question, "How has it happened to me that the mother of my Lord would come to me?" (Luke 1:43), parallels David’s question, "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" (2 Samuel 6:9).
  • Reactions: David danced before the Ark, just as John the Baptist leapt in Elizabeth’s womb at Mary’s presence.
  • Overshadowing: The Holy Spirit overshadowed the Ark with the Shekinah glory, and the Spirit overshadowed Mary at the Annunciation.
Ray contends that while the Ark typologically foreshadows Christ in terms of sacrifice, it serves as the specific antitype for Mary in Luke’s narrative of the Visitation, emphasizing that God now dwells physically in human flesh. BRAVE AI


What is in the ark of God's covenant, the tabernacle of the Testimony.

First, the ark held the stone tablets. Later, it held more.

Hebrews 9:2-4
For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant;


There is no need to guess the Bible tells us:

There is a vast difference between the small box-like ark of the first covenant, the tabernacle of the testimony in its earthly temple, and the angel-filled heavenly temple described in this vignette.

Revelation 15:5-8
After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened. 6 And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands. 7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever. 8 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.
 
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The Book of Revelation contains past historical vignettes and near-future and far-future vignettes.

The first covenant's ark was made obsolete when Mary, the new covenant ark, conceived the Son of God. A new covenant requires a new priesthood with new laws concerning how to worship God. Hebrews 7:12

The first covenant's Saturday Sabbath worship services and its laws were made obsolete by the new covenant's Sunday worship assemblies and its practices on the Lord's Day.


Mary is the ark of the new covenant.

Steve Ray explains that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, drawing typological parallels between her and the Ark of the Old Covenant to highlight how God’s presence transitions from spiritual to physical dwelling.
Key Parallels Identified:
  • Divine Presence: The Old Ark contained the Stone Tablets, Manna, and Aaron’s Rod; the New Ark (Mary) contains Jesus, who is the Word of God, the New Manna, and the High Priest.
  • The Visitation: Elizabeth’s question, "How has it happened to me that the mother of my Lord would come to me?" (Luke 1:43), parallels David’s question, "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" (2 Samuel 6:9).
  • Reactions: David danced before the Ark, just as John the Baptist leapt in Elizabeth’s womb at Mary’s presence.
  • Overshadowing: The Holy Spirit overshadowed the Ark with the Shekinah glory, and the Spirit overshadowed Mary at the Annunciation.
Ray contends that while the Ark typologically foreshadows Christ in terms of sacrifice, it serves as the specific antitype for Mary in Luke’s narrative of the Visitation, emphasizing that God now dwells physically in human flesh. BRAVE AI




First, the ark held the stone tablets. Later, it held more.

Hebrews 9:2-4
For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant;




There is a vast difference between the small box-like ark of the first covenant, the tabernacle of the testimony in its earthly temple, and the angel-filled heavenly temple described in this vignette.

Revelation 15:5-8
After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened. 6 And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands. 7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever. 8 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.
Still doesn;t say Mary is the ark of the covenant in the Bible, not once.

The Old Testament consistently states that only the Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark Exo 25:16; Deut 10:5, while the pot of manna and Aaron's rod were placed "before the Testimony" Exo 16:33–34; Num 17:10. This explains why 1 Kings 8:9 says there was "nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone." Hebrews 9:4 mentions the manna, Aaron's rod, and the tablets together because it is describing the sacred items associated with the ark, not necessarily giving a literal inventory of its contents. This harmonizes the passages without contradiction and is consistent with the earthly sanctuary being patterned after the heavenly.

God revealed what was in His ark Exo25:21 Exo40:20 God's Testimony, written by God Almighty Himself Exo31:18 the Ten Commandments that nothing more was added Deut5:22 the earthy temple was a pattern after God's heavenly one Heb8:5 Heb9:23-24 so its best to let the Bible interpret the Bible. Pro3:5-6 including what God said is the Lords day in His words Exo20:10 Isa58:13 Mar2:28, which He tells us not to add to them Pro30:5-6, but instead instructed man to live by them Mat4:4.
 
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Still doesn;t say Mary is the ark of the covenant in the Bible, not once.

The original Book of Revelation didn't have chapters and verses. It was one long manuscript. Mary is the ark of the new covenant that is seen in heaven. The vignette that follows depicts Mary as a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, etc.

"Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail. Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth."

The Old Testament consistently states that only the Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark Exo 25:16; Deut 10:5, while the pot of manna and Aaron's rod were placed "before the Testimony" Exo 16:33–34; Num 17:10. This explains why 1 Kings 8:9 says there was "nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone." Hebrews 9:4 mentions the manna, Aaron's rod, and the tablets together because it is describing the sacred items associated with the ark, not necessarily giving a literal inventory of its contents. This harmonizes the passages without contradiction and is consistent with the earthly sanctuary being patterned after the heavenly.

"which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant;"

Hebrews 9:4 is correct. Before the ark was stolen or hidden in the first century AD, it contained the golden pot of manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.

God revealed what was in His ark Exo25:21 Exo40:20 God's Testimony, written by God Almighty Himself Exo31:18 the Ten Commandments that nothing more was added Deut5:22 the earthy temple was a pattern after God's heavenly one Heb8:5 Heb9:23-24 so its best to let the Bible interpret the Bible. Pro3:5-6


It is best to let the New Testament interpret the Old Testament because the Old Testament was merely a shadow of what was to come in the New Testament.

Colossians 2:16-18
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,


Jesus' new covenant made the old covenant with its sabbaths, new moon, festival, and dietary laws obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
 
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The original Book of Revelation didn't have chapters and verses. It was one long manuscript. Mary is the ark of the new covenant that is seen in heaven. The vignette that follows depicts Mary as a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, etc.

"Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail. Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth."



"which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant;"


Hebrews 9:4 is correct. Before the ark was stolen or hidden in the first century AD, it contained the golden pot of manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.




It is best to let the New Testament interpret the Old Testament because the Old Testament was merely a shadow of what was to come in the New Testament.

Colossians 2:16-18
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,


Jesus' new covenant made the old covenant with its sabbaths, new moon, festival, and dietary laws obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Still doesn’t say Mary is the ark of the covenant. Mary was not even born yet, when God revealed what was inside the ark Exo25:21 Exo40:20 1Kings8:9 patterned after the heavenly temple. Heb8:5 Heb9:23-24

You also cut and pasted two verses together. We can literally make the Bible say anything we want in doing so, but then it’s no longer His pure word Pro30:5-6 I guess thats why He tells us not to do this. The women clothed in white are the saints Rev19:8 or God’s true church. The other women/harlot in Revelation represents the counterfeit church. The saints keep God’s commandments, His version Rev14:12 the harlot church changed God’s times and laws Dan7:25.

Rev 11:18-19 is about judgment, nothing about Mary.

I believe you’re taking Col 2:16-18 out of context. This is about something that is contrary and against man. Col2:14KJV, Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not against man. Mark2:27 Paul would never teach against Christ, He said in this same passage everything has to be according to Christ Col2:8 and warned not to be deceived of teachings otherwise. God’s Blessings Exo20:11 Isa 56:2 and what Jesus is LORD of Mark2:28 is certainly not against man. It’s a sad interpretation of these verses.

Heb 7:12 tells us the law its referring to in the very next verse and tells us why this law had to change, the priesthood, nothing about the Sabbath in all of Hebrews 7, but all about the priesthood and why this law had to change.
 
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