Mamdani Publishes Names, Addresses of NYC Homeowners Facing New Pied-à-Terre Tax

rambot · 2026-07-30T08:38:27-0500

I love that even after he does all these things that CLEARLY and ONLY benefit people like everyone else on this board, there are still people harumping and harawing about how awful he is. Even when those policies would be DIRECTLY HELPING THEM if they lived there.

Maybe it's like self flagellation; people are just not used to seeing a government official doing things to directly benefit them so they assume is all going to go to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] or he can't be trusted.

This is a right wing working class fella's chance to ACTUALLY see what it feels like to be a millionaire/billionaire and have a government working for you.

Do you see the competent leader who is helping the working class in the room with you right now?

rambot · 2026-07-30T10:12:39-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Under the typical systems, if some social justice vigilante wanted to aggregate all of the names and addresses of people who have a non-primary, non-rental residence valued at over $1M in NYC, it would have taken them quite a long time doing it the old fashioned way.

Now, they can do a 2 second download and open it in Excel and get their potential hit list.... oh sorry, I mean "Not paying fair share accountability" list

Of course, they wouldn't do anything nefarious with that information right???

It's not like Mamdani announced this specific tax by giving away a rich person's personal address in a highly publicized way...oh wait

Mamdani responds after billionaire slams NYC mayor's rich tax video

Last week, Griffin's company, Citadel LLC put out a statement to its employees slamming the use of the CEO's $238 million home in Mamdani's video.

www.usatoday.com

And the analogy isn't inappropriate or ridiculous, it's similar to what happened.

Mamdani has demonized wealth and wanting to pay less in taxes non-stop and claimed "they're not paying their fair share", and now his office has published a nice concise searchable list where people can go if they want to "teach those greedy rich people a lesson"

It's unnecessary to create a caricaturist of a "the left" person who just wants to perpetuate violence against those greedy rich people.
We don't need to kill them. We just need to tax them. And these taxes LITERALLY have no affect on their day to day living.

Too many of the posts in this thread are implication, innuendo, and hypothetical.

DaisyDay · 2026-07-30T10:18:16-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Under the typical systems, if some social justice vigilante wanted to aggregate all of the names and addresses of people who have a non-primary, non-rental residence valued at over $1M in NYC, it would have taken them quite a long time doing it the old fashioned way.

Now, they can do a 2 second download and open it in Excel and get their potential hit list.... oh sorry, I mean "Not paying fair share accountability" list

Of course, they wouldn't do anything nefarious with that information right???

Oh noes! Vigilantes can utilize public records for nefarious purposes!! Poor people can now do what rich people hire other people to do for them - the sky is falling!! You are so right, we must obscure public records from potential...vigilantes with nefarious goals of economic fairness.

ThatRobGuy said:
It's not like Mamdani announced this specific tax by giving away a rich person's personal address in a highly publicized way...oh wait

Mamdani responds after billionaire slams NYC mayor's rich tax video

Last week, Griffin's company, Citadel LLC put out a statement to its employees slamming the use of the CEO's $238 million home in Mamdani's video.

www.usatoday.com

Is that his personal address or one of many properties one of the richest men in Manhattan owns that is very specifically not his primary residence?

ThatRobGuy said:
And the analogy isn't inappropriate or ridiculous, it's similar to what happened.

No, the analogy is both inappropriate and ridiculous.

ThatRobGuy said:
Mamdani has demonized wealth

No, he has not. Wanting the wealthy to pay more in taxes than the poor and middle class is not demonizing. Hyperbole much?

ThatRobGuy said:
Mamdani has demonized wealth and wanting to pay less in taxes non-stop and claimed "they're not paying their fair share", and now his office has published a nice concise searchable list where people can go if they want to "teach those greedy rich people a lesson"

Do you have a link to that list?

ThatRobGuy · 2026-07-30T10:26:53-0500

DaisyDay said:
Do you have a link to that list?

Property Assessments - DOF

Specifically, the two CSVs, in this section.

DaisyDay · 2026-07-30T10:32:27-0500

Aldebaran said:
If by "clearing poor housing to make way for the rich", you mean clearing the sidewalks of tents and cardboard shacks so the general public can use the sidewalks, then I don't see a problem.

No, that is not what I mean. In fact, the tents and cardboard shacks on the streets of New York City are a direct result of all the poor housing getting converted - with tax credits! - into housing for the better tax base without considering where the people who lived in the tenements were going to live. SROs (Single Resident Occupancy hotels that rented out rooms rather than whole apartments) were cleared out, deliberately, to "improve" neighborhoods - but where were the occupants supposed to go? Hoboken got gentrified at the same time.

People living on the streets in NYC were relatively rare until two simultaneous trends - psychiatric hospitals being closed in favor of outpatient treatments and community support and tearing down poor housing - and they were poor - where the former patients were to live and receive the support. This gentrification was deliberate policy to raise the tax base for the city with the increase of people on the street being an apparently unforeseen consequence. The state saved a bundle by closing the hospitals but declined to funnel those savings into the communities that were to take the place of the hospitals.

When you clear the slums without providing alternative housing for the people who live there, this is the result.

DaisyDay · 2026-07-30T10:38:10-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Property Assessments - DOF

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Specifically, the two CSVs, in this section.

So it's not just wealthy people with their information doxxed but everyone on the property tax rolls. How very democratic! It's a darned good thing that wealthy entrepreneurs and corporations can't and don't access information on working class people to target them for predatory marketing and other nefarious schemes!

If that were to happen, no doubt you would be posting rant after rant about how very angry you were about such goings on.

ThatRobGuy · 2026-07-30T11:02:03-0500

DaisyDay said:
So it's not just wealthy people with their information doxxed but everyone on the property tax rolls. How very democratic! It's a darned good thing that wealthy entrepreneurs and corporations can't and don't access information on working class people to target them for predatory marketing and other nefarious schemes!

On those lists, no...

It's properties that are non-primary residences that could be subject to this new tax.

Another glaring issue (which I think some of the critics have pointed out) is that it's not as if these are all mansions that are in gated communities or in heightened security buildings.

For a condo/apartment in NYC that's owned, setting a $1M property value threshold isn't just doxxing the "fat cats"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/137-Guernsey-St-APT-3L-Brooklyn-NY-11222/245010913_zpid

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/707-Carroll-St-APT-4R-Brooklyn-NY-11215/142810366_zpid

There's nothing spectacular about these properties or anything that scream "rich" when you look at at 800sq ft 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment/condo.

In all likelihood, a lot of these are probably owned by older people who are perhaps retired, and bought them back decades ago when they were more reasonably priced, and then opted to keep them and a good portion of the year in the southern states (like a lot of older people do).

While the "eat the rich" vigilantism is certainly a concern... another concern that I noted earlier is that in cities where there are squatters rights, lists like this could be problematic.

Basically "we've narrowed it down to the list of places were the owners are away more than half the year" presents a problem in a locale where a squatters starts having certain tenants rights after 30 days of occupancy.

iluvatar5150 · 2026-07-30T11:10:57-0500

DaisyDay said:
Are property tax rolls private in most cities?

ThatRobGuy said:
I would imagine there's probably some variance across cities.

They haven't been private in any city I've lived in. The only difference is how robust the online portal is.

Most of the garages in my city are detached and face an alley behind the houses. Many of them are also deeded separately from the house, so there are a bunch that are owned by property management groups or other folks who don't live in the neighborhood. I was interested in buying a garage behind my house, so I went on one of Baltimore City's real estate records sites, zoomed into my block, clicked onto each garage plat, found the registered mailing address of each owner, and mailed a letter to the one that was on the other side of town. He responded.

The argument from the people defending the release of the list on the grounds of "well yeah, but that was all technically a matter of public record that someone could find online anyway" isn't a fair argument based on the practical obscurity aspect I mentioned before.

It's not "practically obscure" anymore when the databases are publicly accessible and any rando with LLM access can vibe code an app to pull this data in under an hour.

Aldebaran · 2026-07-30T11:13:46-0500

NxNW said:
How bout finding $100M in missing tip money?

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Changing how the tip process operates in an app didn't "recover" anything. Read more about things before repeating what you see on Reddit.

Aldebaran · 2026-07-30T11:18:45-0500

DaisyDay said:
No, that is not what I mean. In fact, the tents and cardboard shacks on the streets of New York City are a direct result of all the poor housing getting converted - with tax credits! - into housing for the better tax base without considering where the people who lived in the tenements were going to live......

Another way of putting that is to say that the housing was upgraded and modernized. That's what cities normally like to do with properties. Sure, A city could allow itself to be rundown and dilapidated in order to bring property values down so that everyone can afford to live there. But then businesses won't be attracted to those areas and will go elsewhere, along with the jobs they create. Same for the taxes they would be paying into the city. Then we'd get to hear how it's a a poverty zone and a food desert, and that businesses are racist for avoiding those areas.
Better to upgrade and modernize than allow urban decay. If you don't believe that, go to one of those types of neighborhoods that are poor and have people who are on welfare and can't find a job because there are none. Ask them how life is there.

jacks · 2026-07-30T11:20:25-0500

It's like all taxes. We love them if they don't apply to us.

Not rich? Tax the rich. Not a home owner? Tax property owners. Have an electric car? Tax gasoline. On welfare? Tax income. Don't buy expensive cars/boats? Luxury tax. Don't smoke? Tax cigarettes. Don't drink? Tax alcohol. etc. etc. . Notice Mamdani didn't say to tax people who earn over $200K per year (He earns $259K) or those who get free housing from their jobs. (He lives in Gracie Mansion rent free.)

Lesson: Tax the other guy.

ThatRobGuy · 2026-07-30T11:58:18-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
It's not "practically obscure" anymore when the databases are publicly accessible and any rando with LLM access can vibe code an app to pull this data in under an hour.

Would the rando with the LLM access also get elected Mayor, spend months promoting a light version of "class warfare" rhetoric, and then advertise the release on Twitter to their 2 million followers?

iluvatar5150 · 2026-07-30T13:31:21-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Would the rando with the LLM access also get elected Mayor, spend months promoting a light version of "class warfare" rhetoric, and then advertise the release on Twitter to their 2 million followers?

In a world where a mediocre standup comic / mma announcer becomes the most popular podcast host in the country, anything is possible.

ThatRobGuy · 2026-07-30T14:18:22-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
In a world where a mediocre standup comic / mma announcer becomes the most popular podcast host in the country, anything is possible.

The crux of the issue is two pronged...

It's demonization combined with aggregation/distribution.

You can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.

Imagine a state or city GOP official who'd built a brand on using hostile rhetoric towards non-citizens, announced a new tax on residential properties owned by foreign nationals, and then hopped on Twitter to announce to a sometimes-rabid, millions-strong, fan base that they'd be releasing a nice sortable searchable list of the impacted names/addresses.

...you think just maybe some people would be throwing up the red flag on the grounds of privacy/safety concerns? Would the fact that it's technically public record negate those concerns?

Because that is tantamount to what's happening here. The DSA (of which, Mamdani is the "star player on the team") has spent the last 2 years bashing "the bourgeoisie", accusing them of not paying their fair share, and then suggesting their tax avoidance is the reason for all the ills of the "working class".

And then hops on Twitter with a taunting message to announce that they're release an "easy to use" list of the potential tax-avoiders.

It very much comes across as a "you know the group that I said was the source of all your problems??? Well here's a list

"

DaisyDay · 2026-07-30T16:18:13-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
On those lists, no...

It's properties that are non-primary residences that could be subject to this new tax.

Another glaring issue (which I think some of the critics have pointed out) is that it's not as if these are all mansions that are in gated communities or in heightened security buildings.

For a condo/apartment in NYC that's owned, setting a $1M property value threshold isn't just doxxing the "fat cats"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/137-Guernsey-St-APT-3L-Brooklyn-NY-11222/245010913_zpid

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/707-Carroll-St-APT-4R-Brooklyn-NY-11215/142810366_zpid

There's nothing spectacular about these properties or anything that scream "rich" when you look at at 800sq ft 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment/condo.

In all likelihood, a lot of these are probably owned by older people who are perhaps retired, and bought them back decades ago when they were more reasonably priced, and then opted to keep them and a good portion of the year in the southern states (like a lot of older people do).

Lols, you have no clue whatsoever if you think pied-a-terres listed as non-primary residences are mainly unoccupied, especially the relatively modest ones in nice neighborhoods - they are cash cows.

You should know that the assessed value on the tax rolls is usually well below market value - the two are not the same, particularly for owner occupied residences that have been held by the same owner for decades.

ThatRobGuy said:
While the "eat the rich" vigilantism is certainly a concern... another concern that I noted earlier is that in cities where there are squatters rights, lists like this could be problematic.

It's laughable. Squatters in my experience (I was on the board of a tenant-run building and my husband has owned buildings) usually move in as renters - they get keys and utilities - and then refuse to pay or move out. That's a lot easier than scouting an apartments on the third or fourth floor in otherwise occupied buildings, even modest brownstones where neighbors are very likely to know who does and doesn't belong. NY is pro-tenant, not pro-squatter, even if to the landlord there is little difference, in tenant court there is a huge difference.

Charging less tax on owner occupied primary residences than for other real estate hardly amounts to"eat the rich" or vigilantism.

ThatRobGuy said:
Basically "we've narrowed it down to the list of places were the owners are away more than half the year" presents a problem in a locale where a squatters starts having certain tenants rights after 30 days of occupancy.

That's total nonsense. The vast majority of apartments in NYC are not owner occupied, so how you managed to narrow down which ones are unoccupied for most the year is beyond me. I think you underestimate the number of people who list mailing box in a state that has no income tax as their primary residence while never leaving the city.

You also don't really understand so-called squatter's rights for people who break and enter.

DaisyDay · 2026-07-30T16:30:29-0500

Aldebaran said:
Another way of putting that is to say that the housing was upgraded and modernized.

Sure, but the people who had lived there were forced out of the newly renovated condos and co-opts. It is terrible planning to raze the slums without figuring out where to put the displaced population. When you throw them out on the streets, you wind up with people living on the streets. People don't live in cardboard shacks for the novelty of it.

Aldebaran said:
That's what cities normally like to do with properties. Sure, A city could allow itself to be rundown and dilapidated in order to bring property values down so that everyone can afford to live there. But then businesses won't be attracted to those areas and will go elsewhere, along with the jobs they create. Same for the taxes they would be paying into the city. Then we'd get to hear how it's a a poverty zone and a food desert, and that businesses are racist for avoiding those areas.

You know what some cities do? They upgrade the poor housing, allowing the people who live in said housing to remain but in better housing. Win-win.

Aldebaran said:
Better to upgrade and modernize than allow urban decay. If you don't believe that, go to one of those types of neighborhoods that are poor and have people who are on welfare and can't find a job because there are none.

That is a different problem that might be mitigated somewhat by taxing the rich.

Aldebaran said:
Ask them how life is there.

Ask the people force out of their houses and onto the streets by urban renewal how life is there.

ThatRobGuy · 2026-07-30T17:23:15-0500

DaisyDay said:
That's total nonsense. The vast majority of apartments in NYC are not owner occupied, so how you managed to narrow down which ones are unoccupied for most the year is beyond me. I think you underestimate the number of people who list mailing box in a state that has no income tax as their primary residence while never leaving the city.

You also don't really understand so-called squatter's rights for people who break and enter.

That's why there's a distinction between which ones are rental properties, vs. which ones are just second-residence situations.

If the list included every rental apartment in New York City that was owned by someone else, the csv would've had 2.4 million entries.
(plus, landlords in NYC as well as people who AirBnB/VRBO their units already pay tax remittances as applicable)

So we need to at least be honest about the scope of what this list is. This is a list of properties held by those who Mamdani and the DSA have deemed to be "potentially not paying their fair share", and has made public statements implying that.

"The best city in the world deserves the best parks, libraries, and schools in the world," Mamdani wrote on X. "That's only possible when we all pay our fair share."

Right from NYC's government website for the NYC Housing and Vacancy Survey

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/hpd/downloads/pdfs/about/2023-nychvs-selected-initial-findings.pdf

In 2023, a total of 82,380 units (36 percent) were not available for rent for two or more reasons. Of the 145,100 that were unavailable for only one reason, the most prevalent reason was that the unit was held for seasonal, recreational, or occasional use (58,810 units or 26 percent of all units not available for rent or sale)

ThatRobGuy · 2026-07-30T17:39:56-0500

DaisyDay said:
It's laughable. Squatters in my experience (I was on the board of a tenant-run building and my husband has owned buildings) usually move in as renters - they get keys and utilities - and then refuse to pay or move out. That's a lot easier than scouting an apartments on the third or fourth floor in otherwise occupied buildings, even modest brownstones where neighbors are very likely to know who does and doesn't belong. NY is pro-tenant, not pro-squatter, even if to the landlord there is little difference, in tenant court there is a huge difference.

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/2026/03/05/nycha-has-a-squatter-problem-at-hundreds-of-units/

They couldn't even properly police it regarding units that were under the control of the city housing authority.

...and do you think Mamdani's administration would ever side with a rich person over a squatter? Unlikely.

Bradskii · 2026-07-30T18:47:31-0500

jacks said:
It's like all taxes. We love them if they don't apply to us.

No, we love them when they're spent on things that improve the overall well being of the country.

jacks said:
Not rich? Tax the rich.

I'm quite well off. I pay whatever I am due to pay. Those not as well off pay less. Those a lot better off pay more. Is there something in that arrangement with which you have a problem?

jacks said:
Not a home owner? Tax property owners.

I own my own home. Every home I have owned I paid tax on. The money pays for the roads I use, the fire brigade I hope I never need, the refuse collection I use each week etc etc. Do you get all this and more for nothing? Well, who is going to pay for it? I vote: The people who benefit from it. Who are you going to vote for?

jacks said:
Have an electric car? Tax gasoline.

The tax goes to upkeep the roads which you use. Maybe you'd prefer to keep a bag of gravel and a shovel in the boot to fill in any potholes yourself.

jacks said:
On welfare? Tax income.

Well, I'm not on welfare. But someone has to help those that need help. If you could opt out of this (tick this box if you don't want any of your tax dollar to go to help those in need), would you?

jacks said:
Don't buy expensive cars/boats? Luxury tax.

You live in the US? Well there is no luxury tax. There used to be. Bush brought it in in '91. Yeah, it was a Republican president who decided to tax the rich. And a Democratic president - Clinton, who killed it two years later. I'll bet a chunk of money on you thinking it might have been the other way around. But then, you thought it still existed, so...

jacks said:
Don't smoke? Tax cigarettes.

Smoke? You need help. They're killing you. Triple the tax on them. Spend the money on cancer research.

jacks said:
Don't drink? Tax alcohol.

The highest state tax on beer is Tenessee. It's 16c on a pint. If you go out and tie one on one evening in Nashville, it'll cost you not much more than a dollar. If you can't afford that then I'd suggest that you stay home and quit drinking.

jacks said:
Notice Mamdani didn't say to tax people who earn over $200K per year (He earns $259K)...

He doesn't need to. People in NY in that tax bracket already pay around a third of their income in tax (state tax would account for about 5%).

What exactly would you tax?

Bradskii · 2026-07-30T18:49:15-0500

Aldebaran said:
Better to upgrade and modernize than allow urban decay.

I agree. Now we have to agree on what we do with the people who are evicted from housing that is to be upgraded. You first.

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