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New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote
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Your position. Did you forget already?
New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote
Then so is the gasoline needed to drive a car to the polling place. They wouldn't need a car to walk to the mailbox. It's amazing how people used to fight to the death for the right to vote, but aren't willing to do the simplest things in our modern age to actually vote without complaining...
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That's what you posted, so it must be your position. And don't Bother telling me that it's a quote of what somebody else said. If you posted it, then you obviously agree with it and it is your position.
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Left wing propaganda site links aren't documents. Nor are screenshots of Reddit posts.
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Your copying/pasting was apparently botched there.
Actually, you did 12 minutes ago.
New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote
That's why I'm reminding you. Reminding me of what?
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@Aldebaran , can you explain how you think these statements are equivalent? They do not appear equivalent. Indeed, it's hard to parse what "not every vote needs to count" is supposed to mean at all.
The first statement is much clearer. The small number of improper votes cast had no effect on the election.
The first statement is much clearer. The small number of improper votes cast had no effect on the election.
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That's easy! He quotes someone as dismissing illegal votes as not being important enough to do anything about because there supposedly wasn't enough of them to change the results. However, when illegals vote it does sway the actual vote tally, and legal votes are cancelled out by the illegal votes. For example, if I along with 399 other people vote for a conservative Candidate, and then there are 400 illegal votes being cast for the Liberal candidate, Then the conservative votes are canceled out. That should not be happening. But to allow it is to say that not every vote needs to count. Allowing 400 illegal votes cancels out 400 legal votes, making them not count.
It's irrelevant whether or not it would have changed the outcome. In smaller communities, that many votes could easily change the outcome.
It's an issue that needs to be dealt with rather than dismissed.
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What illegal votes?
If there were illegal votes, you'd have convictions.
No they aren't.
It's not.
The 2000 election was decided by approximately that many mail-in ballots from overseas service members, even though such ballots are not postmarked with a date and were mailed late.
Conservative columnist George Will stated after the 2000 election that there's no point in arguing about discrepancies within the margin of error.
On what date did the conservative position change on that matter?
You've yet to demonstrate there is an issue. How many convictions have been obtained (aside from the Trump administration's)?
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And yet that is what you used as your "documentation". Of course you don't call it that, but that's the truth of it.
Post credible evidence of what you claim and maybe I'll take it seriously.
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This is not stating that a photo id should not be required. It is speaking of the requirements for photo id being made more difficult, such as the second item you highlighted.
Texas used to allow university id as a form of ID. Many college students are eligible to vote but may not have a drivers license, passport or state id. Prior to the gutting of the voting rights act they were able to use student id's for identification but afterward they eliminated that along with anything that would help students or minorities, who are seen as more liberal voters including removing polling places off campus when many students don't drive.
Voter ID Law Turns Away Texans
A voter who participated in the civil rights movement is turned away from the polls, a citizen is told her military ID isn't enough to vote, and other stories from on the ground in Texas.
Critics See Efforts by Counties and Towns to Purge Minority Voters From Rolls
SPARTA, Ga. — When the deputy sheriff’s patrol cruiser pulled up beside him as he walked down Broad Street at sunset last August, Martee Flournoy, a 32-year-old black man, was both confused and rattled. He had reason: In this corner of rural Georgia, African-Americans are arrested at a rate far higher than that of whites.
But the deputy had not come to arrest Mr. Flournoy. Rather, he had come to challenge Mr. Flournoy’s right to vote.
The majority-white Hancock County Board of Elections and Registration was systematically questioning the registrations of more than 180 black Sparta citizens — a fifth of the city’s registered voters — by dispatching deputies with summonses commanding them to appear in person to prove their residence or lose their voting rights. “When I read that letter, I was kind of nervous,” Mr. Flournoy said in an interview. “I didn’t know what to do.”
Alabama moved last year to close 31 driver’s license offices, almost all in rural areas with large African-American populations, as a cost-saving measure. After lawsuit threats and complaints that the closings would severely curtail local voter registration, the state chose to open the offices at least one day a month. Gov. Robert J. Bentley, a Republican, has strongly denied that the closings were racially motivated.
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Eighty-seven-year old Ruthelle Franks speaks out about being disenfranchised by Wisconsin's voter ID law.
Debunking the evidence for election fraud cases
Debunking the evidence for election fraud cases
Political science professor Justin Grimmer’s research offers a detailed look at election fraud claims, their purveyors, and the election skeptics who believe
Election Fraud Falsehoods Are Spreading. Here’s What to Watch For.
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Why are you assuming all illegal votes would be for a liberal candidate (or, presumably, a democrat)? We know, for a fact, that conservative voters have been known to commit voter fraud too. Here are a couple of cases, just as an example.
Pennsylvania man convicted of fraud for voting twice in 2020 presidential election
Federal prosecutors said a Lehigh Valley man voted twice for President Donald Trump in the 2020 election, doing so in two different states.
Trump Supporter Admits Voter Fraud, Says She Voted Twice For President
The woman says that she is still on probation after being arrested for trying to vote for Trump twice in 2016.
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Still occurs in exceptionally small numbers, and has never been shown to alter the results of any single election, but let's stop pretending it's only liberals or democrats who commit fraud, mmkay?
-- A2SG, after all, just look at who's sitting at the Resolute desk.....
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Attacking the messenger instead of refuting the argument shows the weakness of your position.
If my sources are as incredible as you claim, you could easily refute them.
The fact that you haven't is strong evidence that you're unable, or unwilling.
Let me guess: you'll refute them in two weeks.
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