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New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote

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Nobody should have to pay anything to vote.

That's a poll tax.
Then so is the gasoline needed to drive a car to the polling place.
It's amazing how people used to fight to the death for the right to vote, but aren't willing to do the simplest things in our modern age to actually vote without complaining that they have to put a bit of effort into it.
 
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Almost nobody will have their rights trampled?
Why’s that “good enough”?
If it's "good enough" to allow a small amount of illegals to vote and cancel out the votes of legitimate voters, then it's good enough for a few to have their rights "trampled".
Or is it only certain groups of people who's rights aren't to be trampled?
 
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Yes, when you attack their voting patterns and blunt those actions they are being made powerless.
Ah, so now it's a voting "pattern" you want to protect. In this case, that would be the pattern of expecting black people to vote for democrats, correct? Disrupt that and watch the accusations fly about being "attacked". Well, I hate to remind you of this, but black people voted for Trump in larger numbers in the last election than when he was elected the first time. Looks like the pattern has already been broken--or "attacked", if you will.
 
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Or, just maybe, leave things alone. Let states decide how to conduct elections just like the constitution lays out.
The last thing we need is an executive branch that literally tried to steal the 2020 election dictating how elections should be ran.
Now you're parroting conspiracy theories.
 
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No! The cost of postage is a tax stamp!
Mail ballots are postage pre-paid. It doesn't cost the voter anything to drop it in the mail or a ballot drop-box.
 
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If I have to show proof of citizenship it will be inconvenient for me, I don’t know where my birth certificate is. I guess I will have to get a passport. It may take some effort but it can be done.
It’s the same with obtaining ID.
Every attempt at securing elections is not automatically an effort to suppress the minority vote
If you are not going to have a discussion I'll go ahead and stop responding. I have no desire to be talked at instead of to.
 
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Mail ballots are postage pre-paid. It doesn't cost the voter anything to drop it in the mail or a ballot drop-box.
Until he pays his property tax bill.
Yeah, nothing is actually free when it comes from the government.
 
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Until he pays his property tax bill.
Yeah, nothing is actually free when it comes from the government.
Yeah, a 36 cent stamp for a few million voters is more of a tax burden than the billions being spent to wage a war with another country that is also causing the prices of everything to skyrocket. Sure, sure.
 
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If you are not going to have a discussion I'll go ahead and stop responding. I have no desire to be talked at instead of to.
I don’t have a solution that will appeal to both sides
 
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Yeah, a 36 cent stamp for a few million voters is more of a tax burden than the billions being spent to wage a war with another country that is also causing the prices of everything to skyrocket. Sure, sure.
That's hardly relevant, so I won't take the bait.
BTW, postage is now 82 cents.
Everything has a cost. Election security has a cost, and so does transportation and documentation. But basic documents such as a photo ID are needed for so many things in everyday life that it's not unreasonable to use that as a requirement for passing the basic election security requirements.
 
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I don’t have a solution that will appeal to both sides
Are you opposed to those of us who do? It seems like a fairly simple solution to me. Simply provide the resources to ensure all US citizens have a valid form of ID they can use for voting. If voting is important to secure we should be willing to pay taxes in order to do so.
 
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Are you opposed to those of us who do? It seems like a fairly simple solution to me. Simply provide the resources to ensure all US citizens have a valid form of ID they can use for voting. If voting is important to secure we should be willing to pay taxes in order to do so.
If you check back earlier in the thread I said that's what should be done instead of complaining that some people can't get IDs
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If you check back earlier in the thread I said that's what should be done instead of complaining that some people can't get IDs
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Excellent. Here is where this gets a bit tricky. I agree, but this administration will not listen to me. It is up to you to convince those on your own side that this is the path forward. A fair number seem to be against it for some reason.
 
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Excellent. Here is where this gets a bit tricky. I agree, but this administration will not listen to me. It is up to you to convince those on your own side that this is the path forward. A fair number seem to be against it for some reason.
If every possible effort was made to ensure that everyone had ID there would be no reason to oppose voter ID.
 
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If every possible effort was made to ensure that everyone had ID there would be no reason to oppose voter ID.
I would agree with that. While I do not see a need for it personally it seems very important to some. since you feel it so important I can get behind efforts to make voting more secure as long as it is done in an equitable and bipartisan manner.
 
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