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New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote

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Links are useful for presenting facts to support an argument, rather than sharing unsupported (or factually wrong) opinions.
10 year old articles about something else doesn't offer any support. You guys put on the pretense that any link posted is evidence, and that it should save you from stating your position in your own words. And then combine that with insults and ad hominems.
 
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10 year old articles about something else doesn't offer any support. You guys put on the pretense that any link posted is evidence, and that it should save you from stating your position in your own words. And then combine that with insults and ad hominems.
How many illegal aliens are registered voters? You're not concerned about the voting rights of the 3,000,000 African Americans without current ID. How big is the problem you are concerned about?
 
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How many illegal aliens are registered voters?
The question should be how many illegal aliens are voting. However I haven't brought up illegal aliens.
You're not concerned about the voting rights of the 3,000,000 African Americans without current ID. How big is the problem you are concerned about?
I don't think getting an ID is a big problem at all. There's lots of things people don't have that they can get. And an ID is one of those things. Unless they're just as ineligible for that as they are to vote.
 
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The question should be how many illegal aliens are voting.
The best evidence suggests at most a few dozen per state per election.
 
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The best evidence suggests at most a few dozen per state per election.
Like I said, I haven't brought up illegal aliens. Although I'd say since they fly under the radar, there could be considerably more who are voting undetected.
 
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How many illegal aliens are registered voters? You're not concerned about the voting rights of the 3,000,000 African Americans without current ID. How big is the problem you are concerned about?
Instead of complaining that these people can't get an ID why not work to make sure they all have one?
 
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Instead of complaining that these people can't get an ID why not work to make sure they all have one?
It's not even can't get for sure, but rather don't happen to currently be in possession of one.
 
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It's not even can't get for sure, but rather don't happen to currently be in possession of one.
I think in this day and age if someone doesn't have an ID it's by choice
 
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I think in this day and age if someone doesn't have an ID it's by choice
You are free to think that, but that does not make it true. Lack of money, lack of required documents, lack of transportation, lack of time. And those are just the reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why someone may not be able to get an ID.
 
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Instead of complaining that these people can't get an ID why not work to make sure they all have one?
Why would this not be part of the legislation requiring it?
 
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I've already proven otherwise.
You mean 20% of blacks born in the south in 1939/40 were never issued a birth certificate?

Statistically based on life expectancy at best about 5% of that 20% are still alive.
Around 1939/40, there were roughly 550,000 to 625,000 Black births in the U.S.
20% of that total equals roughly 110,000 to 125,000. 5% of that 20% is about 6,250.

So apparently the SAVE act was initiated keep 6,250 86 to 87 year old black people from voting.
 
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You are free to think that, but that does not make it true. Lack of money, lack of required documents, lack of transportation, lack of time. And those are just the reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why someone may not be able to get an ID.
They seem to have ID to cash checks, buy alcoholic beverages, check in at the hospital and buy cigarettes
 
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You are free to think that, but that does not make it true. Lack of money, lack of required documents, lack of transportation, lack of time. And those are just the reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why someone may not be able to get an ID.
The number of black people alive these days without a birth certificate, without any means of transportation, who can't pay $10 to $45, and don't have enough time, is extremely small.
 
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The number of black people alive these days without a birth certificate, without any means of transportation, who can't pay $10 to $45, and don't have enough time, is extremely small.
Maybe. But they still outnumber illegal voters.

-- A2SG, and, let's not forget, it's not just African Americans being targeted by voter suppression....
 
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Why not lobby for that rather than against voter ID?
If you try to pass a law that creates a problem, then it seems reasonable to me that you should acknowledge the problem and work to address it as part of the law rather than dismissing it and telling your opponents that they should fix it.
They seem to have ID to cash checks, buy alcoholic beverages, check in at the hospital and buy cigarettes
You know that these are the same people...how?
 
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The number of black people alive these days without a birth certificate, without any means of transportation, who can't pay $10 to $45, and don't have enough time, is extremely small.
Nobody should have to pay anything to vote.

That's a poll tax.
 
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