Democratic candidates: You be the judge.

Desk trauma · Tuesday at 7:45 AM

Postvieww said:
They absolutely are. Open your eyes and pay attention to what they say.

I’m paying attention to what they are, a fringe group of the near non existent and impotent American left.

Postvieww · Tuesday at 7:52 AM

Desk trauma said:
I’m paying attention to what they are, a fringe group of the near non existent and impotent American left.

I wish you were right but I fear you are not.The rise in numbers of these type of candidates does not support your claim.

Hans Blaster · Tuesday at 8:16 AM

Postvieww said:
The following history lesson is sourced from Google.

Google is a parasitic data seller, not a historian. (We could have a history lesson taken from the rise of Google, but that wouldn't involve...)

Postvieww said:
Does any thing here ring a bell.? This has all been done before. Set oneself up as the savior of common man , the down trodden worker. Promise them utopia and in the process of duping the people seize total power. The use of the word “democracy “ by these socialist, communist is a complete joke.

“Hitler rose to power through a combination of economic crisis, political maneuvering, and legal appointments: economic collapse from the Great Depression, powerful public speaking that exploited anger over World War I, and his appointment as chancellor in January 1933 followed by the destruction of German democracy. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

... Nazi's (the original kind)

Postvieww said:
Crisis and the Rise of the Nazi Party

We are not talking about Nazi's. Get a grip.

Postvieww said:
Post-War Anger: Germany's loss in World War I and the harsh Treaty of Versailles created widespread resentment. [1, 2]

Joining the Party: Hitler joined a small political group in 1919 that became the National Socialist German Workers' (Nazi) Party, using strong public speeches to become its leader. [1, 2]

Failed Coup: A violent attempt to take over the government in 1923 (the Beer Hall Putsch) failed, landing Hitler in jail, where he changed tactics to win power through legal elections instead. [1, 2, 3]

Great Depression: The economic crash of 1929 caused massive job losses in Germany, driving desperate voters to support extremist groups like the Nazis. [1, 2, 3]

Seizing Control

Appointment as Chancellor: Gaining strong numbers in parliament, Hitler was legally appointed chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg in January 1933, as conservative leaders thought they could control him. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Emergency Powers: A fire at the parliament building in February 1933 gave Hitler an excuse to suspend civil liberties and blame communists. [1, 2]

End of Democracy: The Enabling Act of March 1933 allowed Hitler to pass laws without parliament, effectively turning Germany into a dictatorship by 1934. [1, 2, 3]”

In the US the DSA has clearly stated their goals. It would serve us well to just take them at their word!

DaisyDay · Tuesday at 8:45 AM

Postvieww said:
The following history lesson is sourced from Google. Does any thing here ring a bell.? This has all been done before. Set oneself up as the savior of common man , the down trodden worker. Promise them utopia and in the process of duping the people seize total power. The use of the word “democracy “ by these socialist, communist is a complete joke.

“Hitler rose to power through a combination of economic crisis, political maneuvering, and legal appointments: economic collapse from the Great Depression, powerful public speaking that exploited anger over World War I, and his appointment as chancellor in January 1933 followed by the destruction of German democracy. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Crisis and the Rise of the Nazi Party

Post-War Anger: Germany's loss in World War I and the harsh Treaty of Versailles created widespread resentment. [1, 2]

Joining the Party: Hitler joined a small political group in 1919 that became the National Socialist German Workers' (Nazi) Party, using strong public speeches to become its leader. [1, 2]

Failed Coup: A violent attempt to take over the government in 1923 (the Beer Hall Putsch) failed, landing Hitler in jail, where he changed tactics to win power through legal elections instead. [1, 2, 3]

Great Depression: The economic crash of 1929 caused massive job losses in Germany, driving desperate voters to support extremist groups like the Nazis. [1, 2, 3]

Seizing Control

Appointment as Chancellor: Gaining strong numbers in parliament, Hitler was legally appointed chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg in January 1933, as conservative leaders thought they could control him. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Emergency Powers: A fire at the parliament building in February 1933 gave Hitler an excuse to suspend civil liberties and blame communists. [1, 2]

End of Democracy: The Enabling Act of March 1933 allowed Hitler to pass laws without parliament, effectively turning Germany into a dictatorship by 1934. [1, 2, 3]”

In the US the DSA has clearly stated their goals. It would serve us well to just take them at their word!

It isn't the left that is consolidating power into one party, one branch of the government and one man along with his family and associates.

Postvieww · Tuesday at 8:56 AM

Hans Blaster said:
Google is a parasitic data seller, not a historian. (We could have a history lesson taken from the rise of Google, but that wouldn't involve...)

What is the Hans version of that part of history. If you are going question one version provided your own correction.

Hans Blaster said:
We are not talking about Nazi's. Get a grip.

Seems like I have heard a lot of Nazi rhetoric from the left. Maybe you could get a grip. We are talking about the end result of this DSA movement.

Postvieww · Tuesday at 8:57 AM

DaisyDay said:
It isn't the left that is consolidating power into one party, one branch of the government and one man along with his family and associates.

Trump occupies too much space in many people’s heads. To be fair there are a few on the left speaking against this DSA movement.

Hans Blaster · Tuesday at 9:46 AM

Postvieww said:
What is the Hans version of that part of history. If you are going question one version provided your own correction.

You could read a real historian, not some mechanical plagiarist.

Postvieww said:
Seems like I have heard a lot of Nazi rhetoric from the left.

You sould have your hearing checked out, or..

Postvieww said:
Maybe you could get a grip.

Yeah, that.

Postvieww said:
We are talking about the end result of this DSA movement.

No, you are expressing your apocalyptic fantasies about them.

JSRG · Tuesday at 6:28 PM

DaisyDay said:
It isn't the left that is consolidating power into one party, one branch of the government and one man along with his family and associates.

Oh, obviously they aren't consolidating power into those things, because they're not in power.

But when they were? Yes, they were absolutely consolidating power into the presidency and the person occupying it. The United States has been on a presidential power ramp for quite a while now, but it really accelerated with Obama, well exemplified by his famous "pen and phone" comment. Trump built off of that and went further, Biden went further than that, and then Trump came back and went further than his prior term and Biden. There's a good chance this trend will continue, and soon enough we'll find ourselves thinking "can we dial back presidential power to the more restrained behavior of Trump's second term?"

It's why I think, despite them having suggested a number of crazy things, the Democratic Socialists of America are correct in that the President should be chosen by the legislature (again, this was the idea James Madison proposed). Not that it's likely to happen, the constitution is notoriously hard to amend, but it would immediately solve a lot of problems of presidential power.

Postvieww · Tuesday at 9:56 PM

Hans Blaster said:
You could read a real historian, not some mechanical plagiarist.

You sould have your hearing checked out, or..

Yeah, that.

No, you are expressing your apocalyptic fantasies about them.

I see nothing of substance in this post. Just more of the usual personal attacks which are the common tactic used when facts cannot be refuted.

ViaCrucis · Tuesday at 11:02 PM

Postvieww said:
I noticed you are not concerned with “ arguing facts “ but just artfully avoid them.

Uh huh. The "I'm rubber you're glue argument" is a solid one.

A2SG · Tuesday at 11:04 PM

Postvieww said:
So you actually believe this?

That's what they said. I'm simply taking them at their word.

Postvieww said:
In the US the DSA has clearly stated their goals. It would serve us well to just take them at their word!

Where did they state the goals you ascribe to them, exactly? I've provided their website and quoted directly from it. I've found nothing in there saying what you've characterized them as saying.

-- A2SG, if they have clearly stated these goals, it won't be hard to quote them......

ViaCrucis · Tuesday at 11:13 PM

Here's a fact.

One can be both a socialist and a patriotic Constitution-loving American who believes in democracy and republican values.

Just because you read the word "socialist" and you clutch your pearls and think Stalin is coming to eat your puppies or whatever only means you don't actually have a clue just how broad a spectrum of ideas "socialism" entails.

A socialist and a communist aren't the same thing.

You'd know all of this if you cared about facts.

Here's an example of a "socialist" idea: tax-payer funded public education.

Is everyone that believes in and supports public education plotting on overthrowing America and opening up gulags and install a Stalinist-Leninist totalitarian state? No. But that's precisely the sort of fear mongering you want to do here.

Or, I don't know, perhaps you do think public education is some Bolshevik ploy--I don't know everything being broadcast by the MAGA ministry of propaganda.

Hans Blaster · 2026-07-29T00:41:17-0500

Postvieww said:
I see nothing of substance in this post. Just more of the usual personal attacks which are the common tactic used when facts cannot be refuted.

tu quoque

Postvieww · 2026-07-29T07:19:41-0500

A2SG said:
That's what they said. I'm simply taking them at their word.

So when one of their leaders says the ultimate goal is communism you believe that as well? DSA throws around the word Democracy as bait for the uninformed or those that believe the utopian lies. When that ultimate goal is eventually achieved democracy will be a distant memory.

A2SG said:
Where did they state the goals you ascribe to them, exactly? I've provided their website and quoted directly from it. I've found nothing in there saying what you've characterized them as saying.

-- A2SG, if they have clearly stated these goals, it won't be hard to quote them......

Post #89 Post # 124. When leaders in the party are actually honest and clearly state the ultimate goal “ which is not always clearly stated on the web site” you should believe them . The web site cannot be so bold as a few overzealous impatient party leaders who occasionally let the cat out of the bag.

Desk trauma · 2026-07-29T07:27:56-0500

Postvieww said:
So when one of their leaders says the ultimate goal is communism you believe that as well? DSA throws around the word Democracy as bait for the uninformed or those that believe the utopian lies. When that ultimate goal is eventually achieved democracy will be a distant memory.

You have a surprising amount of faith that the DSA will be successful.

Postvieww · 2026-07-29T07:45:18-0500

ViaCrucis said:
One can be both a socialist and a patriotic Constitution-loving American who believes in democracy and republican values.

Only in your dreams.

ViaCrucis said:
Just because you read the word "socialist" and you clutch your pearls and think Stalin is coming to eat your puppies or whatever only means you don't actually have a clue just how broad a spectrum of ideas "socialism" entails.

Utopia in a bottle.

ViaCrucis said:
A socialist and a communist aren't the same thing.

Agreed, but one can lead to the other. When one of the spokesmen for the party actually says that is the goal, you should at least consider the possibility.

ViaCrucis said:
You'd know all of this if you cared about facts.

Back at ya.

ViaCrucis said:
Here's an example of a "socialist" idea: tax-payer funded public education.

Is everyone that believes in and supports public education plotting on overthrowing America and opening up gulags and install a Stalinist-Leninist totalitarian state? No. But that's precisely the sort of fear mongering you want to do here.

Or, I don't know, perhaps you do think public education is some Bolshevik ploy--I don't know everything being broadcast by the MAGA ministry of propaganda.

Here is a fact for you. The education system in this country has been used to “dumb down” our youth by rewriting or ignoring history, demonizing conservative thought, pushing liberal agendas such as transgender ideology as mainstream and normal. The list could go on but you get the point, “The MAGA ministry of propaganda” how funny. A charge from many who believe men can have babies , government can spend your money better than you, terminating the life of unborn babies is a constitutional right, government should own and or run corporations, the rich should be taxed into poverty to fund liberal agendas, defunding the military????? I guess the logic there is if you join the enemy they have no need to attack you. Do you really want to have a discussion about propaganda?

Postvieww · 2026-07-29T07:47:04-0500

Desk trauma said:
You have a surprising amount of faith that the DSA will be successful.

If no one stands against them they will be!

Postvieww · 2026-07-29T07:55:02-0500

Hans Blaster said:
tu quoque

Your projection of superiority is a bit boring. If you could actually make a case for the benefits of socialism and or communism, we could at least have a discussion.

Desk trauma · 2026-07-29T08:16:56-0500

Postvieww said:
If no one stands against them they will be!

They’re going to blunder into the super majority in congress required for their grandiose agenda unless people are wailing about imagined Bolshevik revolution on the horizon?

Hans Blaster · 2026-07-29T10:41:34-0500

Postvieww said:
Your projection of superiority is a bit boring.

My projection angle is zero.

Postvieww said:
If you could actually make a case for the benefits of socialism and or communism, we could at least have a discussion.

What makes you think I am here to make the case for either?

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