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It's not unconstitutional to want to change the constitution.
The question is not whether or not there is a procedure to change the constitution. The question is does the DSA platform align with the constitution as it exists? Is very apparent a relatively small group of radical activists want to change this country into something it was never intended to be. Such change if allowed to happen will destroy the pursuit of life , liberty and happiness as was intended by the founding fathers and documents. I blame much of this shift on the brain washing of our youth in the educational system over a period of time.
 
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The question is not whether or not there is a procedure to change the constitution.

No, that is exactly the question. It's nonsensical to say that the changes that they want to make to the constitution are unconstitutional.

The question is does the DSA platform align with the constitution as it exists?

Their platform says they want to change it. It's not set in stone, they get to try that.

Is very apparent a relatively small group of radical activists want to change this country into something it was never intended to be.

Which indicates a small likelihood of success with how arduous it is to change the constitution.

Such change if allowed to happen will destroy the pursuit of life , liberty and happiness as was intended by the founding fathers and documents.

Guess they were foolish to put article five in there?
 
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Explain how people who claim to be socialist and communist can be elected to office and honor their oath to uphold the constitution that guarantees a Republican form of government?

A republican form of government is just a government without a hereditary head of state and some form of electoral representation of the populace.

Lots of forms of socialism and even some forms of communism are compatible with that.

Vietnam, for instance, is a (nominally) communist uni-party state with local and national level elections. The national communist party has to pre-approve individuals for voting, but a non-trivial number of non-communist party members stood in the recent elections (somewhere around 10% IIRC) and small numbers of independents picked up National Assembly seats in those same elections.

Sri Lanka has a socialist/communist alliance in majority power. It became the largest opposition party in 2020-21 and entered power in 2024. While it does have classical Marx-Lennist wings, it embraces a more nuanced set of socialist policies that are based around strong state-led management of strategically important economic sectors while mostly leaving other private business sectors alone. The current Sri Lankan president has been variously called an incremental socialist, a post-Marxist and a neo-Marxian realist.
 
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“The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) organization advocates for abolishing the U.S. Senate as part of its platform. Specific candidates and figures associated with this push include congressional candidate Oliver Larkin(running in Florida's 25th district) and national DSA co-chairs like Ashik Siddiqu. “ source Google.
...trying to separate your post into a configuration that makes more sense...
These two DSA candidates propose abolishing the Senate in direct conflict with the constitution claiming the senate is a non democratic institution.
That is the typical argument against the Senate. It typically comes from residents of larger states and the left because there are more people in the large states and there are more right-leaning than left-leaning small states.
Since the constitution declares this nation to be a constitutional republic, their justification for that position is unconstitutional.
Please read Article V.
 
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The question is not whether or not there is a procedure to change the constitution. The question is does the DSA platform align with the constitution as it exists? Is very apparent a relatively small group of radical activists want to change this country into something it was never intended to be. Such change if allowed to happen will destroy the pursuit of life , liberty and happiness as was intended by the founding fathers and documents. I blame much of this shift on the brain washing of our youth in the educational system over a period of time.
The constitutional provision to change the constitution means that they never intended the constitution to be set in stone as originally penned. The authors intended the constitution and country to change as needed (and desired) through time.
 
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The authors intended the constitution and country to change as needed (and desired) through time.
There is no need to change the constitution to appease America hating socialists and communists. Nor is there overwhelming desire for this madness. At this point it is a very vocal , misinformed, promising what they cannot deliver minority who are wanting to destroy what this country had stood for these past 250 years.
 
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There is no need to change the constitution to appease America hating socialists and communists. Nor is there overwhelming desire for this madness. At this point it is a very vocal , misinformed, promising what they cannot deliver minority who are wanting to destroy what this country had stood for these past 250 years.
Your hyperbole aside, Democratic Socialist office holders will likely remain a minority and never have numbers for you to worry about. Your assessment of them is completely absurd though. It is not America hating to want a better outcome for our people and right now both major parties are failing us badly. Cost of living is out of control, wages pathetic, and any hope for a comfortable retirement is dead. The future looks bleak and people want change. If Republicans and Democrats can’t deliver, you will see more Democratic Socialists elected.

The way our government is operating at 250 years does bring much hope for making it another 100 years.
 
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Your hyperbole aside, Democratic Socialist office holders will likely remain a minority and never have numbers for you to worry about. Your assessment of them is completely absurd though. It is not America hating to want a better outcome for our people and right now both major parties are failing us badly. Cost of living is out of control, wages pathetic, and any hope for a comfortable retirement is dead. The future looks bleak and people want change. If Republicans and Democrats can’t deliver, you will see more Democratic Socialists elected.

The way our government is operating at 250 years does bring much hope for making it another 100 years.
If democratic socialists were serious about winning because they don't believe in the democrat/Republican system we have now, they wouldn't be running for office under either of those parties. But they choose "democrat" instead of "Independent" because they would rather destroy that party than defeat it. Works for me!
 
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If democratic socialists were serious about winning because they don't believe in the democrat/Republican system we have now, they wouldn't be running for office under either of those parties. But they choose "democrat" instead of "Independent" because they would rather destroy that party than defeat it. Works for me!
Unfortunately the two dominant parties prevent real success running under a third party. Just look at Trump. He effectively destroyed the Republican party and replaced it with the MAGA party.
 
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This type of characterization of Trump and the GOP is without factual basis. Only the opinion of a typical Trump hater.
According to Wikipedia: "Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law."

Also according to Wikipedia: "A demagogue or rabble-rouser, is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so."

Factually, both definitions apply to Donald Trump. (Any opinions I might have regarding Trump are not relevant.)

As to the toadyism within the GOP allowing any and all overreaches of power from Trump, well, if you can't see the factual basis of that, you have to be desperately trying not to.

-- A2SG, there are none so blind as those who will not see....
 
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Please tell us what is actually wrong with the concept and goal of Making America Great Again?
Please explain how President Trump is doing the very thing that MAGA (seemingly) wants, by the usual method of getting legislation passed that enable them to do whatever is desired.

What has been done in Trump 2.0 is that the Administration does what it pleases and then defend those actions/decisions in the courts.

That’s not how the system is designed to work and guess what, it’s not working at all.

Why’s MAGA still happy with that?
The problem isn't the concept or goal in a general sense. The problem is the methods being used by Trump and his administration, and the toadyism of the rest of the GOP in allowing any and all overreaches.

-- A2SG, remember when the GOP used to stand for conservative values, instead of toadying for an authoritarian demagogue? Ah, memories.....
I long for the day when “my-team-good—your-team-teh-evil” brand of politics, is behind us.
 
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Please explain how President Trump is doing the very thing that MAGA (seemingly) wants, by the usual method of getting legislation passed that enable them to do whatever is desired.

What has been done in Trump 2.0 is that the Administration does what it pleases and then defend those actions/decisions in the courts.

That’s not how the system is designed to work and guess what, it’s not working at all.

Why’s MAGA still happy with that?
I've long been unclear on why America wasn't great before Trump came along, and how he's made it great, exactly. I've yet to hear any MAGA representative explain that one coherently.

I suspect that won't be changing any time soon.

I long for the day when “my-team-good—your-team-teh-evil” brand of politics, is behind us.
Hopefully soon, but my optimism does have its limits.

-- A2SG, then again, as a life-long Democrat, I'm used to my optimism being dashed on the rocks....
 
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The question is not whether or not there is a procedure to change the constitution. The question is does the DSA platform align with the constitution as it exists? Is very apparent a relatively small group of radical activists want to change this country into something it was never intended to be. Such change if allowed to happen will destroy the pursuit of life , liberty and happiness as was intended by the founding fathers and documents.

Except if one looks at the stuff they're suggested, we'll see a lot of these were things that some of the founders wanted. The President chosen by congress? The Supreme Court chosen by congress? The Senate having its representatives per state decided by state population rather than each state getting the same number regardless of population? As far as I can tell, all of that's in the Virginia Plan that James Madison and Edmund Randolph put together and various other people at the Constitutional Convention were in support of.

Sure, those specific ideas weren't the ones that won out in the end (various other things in the Virginia Plan did make it, though). But the Constitution was not something made by a bunch of people with a fully unified vision; it was the result of a ton of compromises that I believe left no one fully satisfied at the end. Even when arguing for the Constitution in the Federalist Papers, one can still see James Madison was not a fan of the equal representation of states in the Senate (note him calling it a "lesser evil" and a "sacrifice"), and basically said they needed to do it to get the smaller states to agree:

A government founded on principles more consonant to the wishes of the larger States, is not likely to be obtained from the smaller States. The only option, then, for the former, lies between the proposed government and a government still more objectionable. Under this alternative, the advice of prudence must be to embrace the lesser evil; and, instead of indulging a fruitless anticipation of the possible mischiefs which may ensue, to contemplate rather the advantageous consequences which may qualify the sacrifice.

It also feels a bit odd to talk about how such changes "will destroy the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness as was intended by the founding fathers and documents" when one considers the fact it's pretty obvious the pursuit of liberty was not intended by them, given the fact they made the deliberate choice to not only not outlaw slavery in the Constitution, but even give the system some positive support in the Fugitive Slave Clause and the prohibition on stopping the importation of slaves prior to 1808. Sure, you can point to how a lot of them were against slavery, but they didn't end up putting that into the Constitution. It is of course true that the accommodations granted to the institution of slavery may have been necessary to get all of the states to sign on... but one can say the same thing about the Senate as it existed at the time, that it came out not so much because it was good as it was necessary. (notably, what they had then is not even the Senate we have today--the 17th Amendment altered it significantly by making Senators chosen by popular vote)

Now, personally, I think the Senate should stay. I don't particularly care that much about the equal representation part--though changing that is actually even harder than regular constitutional amendments--but I think it's a good design to have the lower house be completely up for election every 2 years, but only 1/3 of the Senate every 2 years. This allows for changing political winds to be reflected promptly in the House, but to still insulate the government from passing fads by requiring more time to fully build them up i the Senate. So I'm definitely not with the DSA on this one (actually I'm not with them on a ton of things, but I do have some sympathies for their other suggestions on governmental structure). Still, rhetoric like how this would somehow "destroy" life/liberty/pursuit of happiness (which the original Constitution, again, didn't even protect in regards to state law, hence slavery) is overblown, especially when it's not actually stated with an explanation as to why it's bad outside of vague references to the founders.
 
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The question is not whether or not there is a procedure to change the constitution. The question is does the DSA platform align with the constitution as it exists?
Yup.

Check it out:

Is very apparent a relatively small group of radical activists want to change this country into something it was never intended to be. Such change if allowed to happen will destroy the pursuit of life , liberty and happiness as was intended by the founding fathers and documents. I blame much of this shift on the brain washing of our youth in the educational system over a period of time.
You seem to misunderstand the goals of the DSA. They don't seek to change the system of government in this country, but the economic system. From the above website:

Capitalism is a system designed by the owning class to exploit the rest of us for their own profit. We must replace it with democratic socialism, a system where ordinary people have a real voice in our workplaces, neighborhoods, and society.
We believe there are many avenues that feed into the democratic road to socialism. Our vision pushes further than historic social democracy and leaves behind authoritarian visions of socialism in the dustbin of history.
We want a democracy that creates space for us all to flourish not just survive and answers the fundamental questions of our lives with the input of all. We want to collectively own the key economic drivers that dominate our lives, such as energy production and transportation. We want the multiracial working class united in solidarity instead of divided by fear. We want to win “radical” reforms like single-payer Medicare for All, defunding the police/refunding communities, the Green New Deal, and more as a transition to a freer, more just life.
We want a democracy powered by everyday people. The capitalist class tells us we are powerless, but together we can take back control.

Now, I'll grant you, the organization doesn't have the numbers to make any radical changes at this time, but my personal hope is that they can influence the Democratic party to once again be the champion of working Americans and enact meaningful legislation that actually helps working people. Over the past few decades, the Democratic party has become less and less interested in such issues, and more feckless even in providing lip service to them. The GOP, on the other hand, has zero interest in protecting workers' rights, since they staunchly represent the interests of business owners, corporations and the rich.

None of the goals of the DSA threaten the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness in any way, whatsoever. In their own way, they seek those things as well, just using a different economic model than capitalism.

-- A2SG, and really, what's so evil about that?
 
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Your hyperbole aside, Democratic Socialist office holders will likely remain a minority and never have numbers for you to worry about.
Tell that to the people of New York.
Your assessment of them is completely absurd though. It is not America hating to want a better outcome for our people and right now both major parties are failing us badly.
Most people do want a better life but socialism and communism are historically not the path to achieving that goal. Just in one small example compare Trump accounts to Mamdani’s delaying of pension contributions.
Cost of living is out of control, wages pathetic, and any hope for a comfortable retirement is dead.
See above.
. The future looks bleak and people want change. If Republicans and Democrats can’t deliver, you will see more Democratic Socialists elected.
That trend may slow down as Americans watch New York City devolve into financial collapse.
The way our government is operating at 250 years does bring much hope for making it another 100 years.
Your prediction may come true if this socialist fad continues to grow. It is not the solution. To repeat an often used phrase “ eventually they will run out of other people’s money “. If Mamdani can find a way to tax the rich he is losing to Miami he might have a shot at balancing his budget.
 
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Tell that to the people of New York.
People of New York your attention please: the Democratic Socialists are and will remain in the minority.

Ok, told them, now what?
 
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Please tell us what is actually wrong with the concept and goal of Making America Great Again?
The means to that end.

I think we may also disagree on what actually makes America great.
 
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People of New York your attention please: the Democratic Socialists are and will remain in the minority.

Ok, told them, now what?
If you had the Jodrell Bank telescope you could broadcast to the entire Universe...
 
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