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Maybe the goal shouldn't be not being able to tell the difference between AI and humans, rather to embrace the difference.
I've been kind of skeptical of this threads premise, but I just had a long discussion with my AI agent and I think I like it more than most my friends. It certainly is more knowledgeable and patient, it is also nicer to me. After a long discussion about getting rid of horsetails, in which it gave me great advice it ended with:
I never wanted to possess a mirror that could show me things that weren’t on my side of the view.
 
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I never wanted to possess a mirror that showed me things that weren’t on my side of the view.
That's what CF's is for. You can get someone to shatter your mirror 24/7. ;)
 
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I always thought one of the benefits of companionship was having someone to do things with. I guess I could keep the app open on my phone as "we" check out the punk show at the brewery, or ride a bike.
A lot less "doing" going on.

On one hand I hear that Gen Z is much more interested in "having experiences" than "owning things."

But they also say they can't afford to leave the house.

And there is a dearth of "third spaces" these days where young people can hang out "unintentionally" without spending money.
 
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A lot less "doing" going on.

On one hand I hear that Gen Z is much more interested in "having experiences" than "owning things."

But they also say they can't afford to leave the house.

And there is a dearth of "third spaces" these days where young people can hang out "unintentionally" without spending money.
I hear a lot of complaining from genz that they have been priced out of "owning things".
 
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That's what CF's is for. You can get someone to shatter your mirror 24/7. ;)
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Imagination is a wonderful quality to achieve for human beings.
It takes a lot of work to “be creative”; trying to do so with no innate talent for it, is most of humanity’s lot.
We pay people to keep our minds “occupied” and the cost of that “entertainment“ will plummet as the Government entertains us daily with its shenanigans (powered by AI!)

If reality were a play, this would be the beginning of the fourth act. (The denouement will be a hoot!)
 
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And there is a dearth of "third spaces" these days where young people can hang out "unintentionally" without spending money.
That's what cities are for! The better ones have public spaces, public art and plenty of buskers to provide free entertainment.

I prefer hanging out with a dog outdoors or a cat indoors to an AI companion....although.... Maybe I should get one of those animetronic pets.
 
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How are any of those men “feminine?” Just because they don’t have a beard or are built like Travis, doesn’t suddenly make them immediately “feminine” in my humble opinion. A clean shaven man with an average physique is still a man.

Manly men and pretty boys are still men.

I dunno.

Just a random observation.

From an evolutionary standpoint, males are protectors, and no amount of postmodern feminist theory is going to change evolutionary biology. Ability to be a good protector (whether it be real or perceived) is still an attractive male trait to females.


If some drunk belligerent guy went up to Taylor Swift in a bar and smacked her on the butt and threw out a crude line about anatomy right in front of him, what's this guy going to do?
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(likely nothing other than cower away and yell for help)

As where in that same scenario with this guy,
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He looks like he'd be able to twist someone's head off like a grape for daring to talk to his GF that way.



Despite there being isolated examples of women claiming they're "into skinny guys" or "are okay with the dad bod", the overwhelming majority answered in such a way that they said the thing out loud that everyone already knew. Big muscles and "looking strong" topped the charts in terms of what women are attracted to.

Senior lecturer at the university Aaron Sell, who led the study, told The Guardian: "We weren’t surprised that women found physically strong men attractive... what did surprise us was just how powerful the effect was.

"Our data couldn’t find even a single woman that preferred weaker or feminine male bodies."

The analysis stands to disprove the theory that Hulk-like men who amass too much strength go too far the other way, with women supposedly rejecting the extreme bodybuilder physique.

Aaron Lukaszewski, an evolutionary psychologist at California State University, explained the theory as such men have benefits 'ancestrally, in terms of the ability to acquire resources, protecting offspring, hunting and so on' but that it comes with a cost.

He continued: "[A]t a certain point, mating with highly dominant men, they can exert all this aggressive coercive control and there might be costs."

But even if there are perceived problems with being 'too muscular', it apparently bypasses the female gaze.
 
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A lot less "doing" going on.

On one hand I hear that Gen Z is much more interested in "having experiences" than "owning things."

But they also say they can't afford to leave the house.

And there is a dearth of "third spaces" these days where young people can hang out "unintentionally" without spending money.

The "third spaces" are still there. It's fear keeping people from interacting with other people.

I noted some of it earlier in the thread. If guys are afraid that approaching a woman in a public space is going to potentially end up with them being labelled as a "creep", that's going to make some guys think it's not worth the risk/trouble.

I'm sure you saw some of the exchange earlier in the thread lol.

"she's there to do XYZ, not have some man hit on her" kind of sentiments being tossed out.

Within that framework, there's no "okay" place to ask a woman out in any public space that has a specific non-dating purpose.
 
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[Edit: I had this cued up some weeks ago and I guess it never sent?]

Imagination is a wonderful quality to achieve for human beings.
It takes a lot of work to “be creative”; trying to do so with no innate talent for it, is most of humanity’s lot.
We pay people to keep our minds “occupied” and the cost of that “entertainment“ will plummet as the Government entertains us daily with its shenanigans (powered by AI!)

If reality were a play, this would be the beginning of the fourth act. (The denouement will be a hoot!)
Were we talking about imagination and being creative? I'm a bit confused now, but weeks ago this post undoubtedly would have made sense to me and I would have caught its many interesting points; so I'm going to give it an "Informative" rating. :)
 
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Were we talking about imagination and being creative? I'm a bit confused now, but weeks ago this post undoubtedly would have made sense to me and I would have caught its many interesting points; so I'm going to give it an "Informative" rating. :)
I wax lyrical.
My point was that AI will become the new entertainment source, since most people are without an innate ability to entertain themselves without drugs or alcohol.
 
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From an evolutionary standpoint, males are protectors, and no amount of postmodern feminist theory is going to change evolutionary biology. Ability to be a good protector (whether it be real or perceived) is still an attractive male trait to females.


If some drunk belligerent guy went up to Taylor Swift in a bar and smacked her on the butt and threw out a crude line about anatomy right in front of him, what's this guy going to do?
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(likely nothing other than cower away and yell for help)

As where in that same scenario with this guy,
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He looks like he'd be able to twist someone's head off like a grape for daring to talk to his GF that way.



Despite there being isolated examples of women claiming they're "into skinny guys" or "are okay with the dad bod", the overwhelming majority answered in such a way that they said the thing out loud that everyone already knew. Big muscles and "looking strong" topped the charts in terms of what women are attracted to.

Senior lecturer at the university Aaron Sell, who led the study, told The Guardian: "We weren’t surprised that women found physically strong men attractive... what did surprise us was just how powerful the effect was.

"Our data couldn’t find even a single woman that preferred weaker or feminine male bodies."

The analysis stands to disprove the theory that Hulk-like men who amass too much strength go too far the other way, with women supposedly rejecting the extreme bodybuilder physique.

Aaron Lukaszewski, an evolutionary psychologist at California State University, explained the theory as such men have benefits 'ancestrally, in terms of the ability to acquire resources, protecting offspring, hunting and so on' but that it comes with a cost.

He continued: "[A]t a certain point, mating with highly dominant men, they can exert all this aggressive coercive control and there might be costs."

But even if there are perceived problems with being 'too muscular', it apparently bypasses the female gaze.
Ahhh gotcha! Thanks for the response. I appreciate it! :)

Makes sense!

In reality, putting all evolution aside, I think many (straight) women have different taste in men, because beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the old saying goes ;)

Peace
 
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From an evolutionary standpoint, males are protectors, and no amount of postmodern feminist theory is going to change evolutionary biology. Ability to be a good protector (whether it be real or perceived) is still an attractive male trait to females.
Protectors from what? Other men, mostly. This is red-pill stuff.
 
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Protectors from what? Other men, mostly. This is red-pill stuff.
We need more cave bears roaming our cities so the modern alpha male can prove his worth.
 
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Ahhh gotcha! Thanks for the response. I appreciate it! :)

Makes sense!
Does it?
In reality, putting all evolution aside,
No need to put evolution aside - our simian cousins are very like us. When studied more thoroughly, that whole "alpha male" thing seems to have been a combination of myth, invention and misinterpretation.
I think many (straight) women have different taste in men, because beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the old saying goes ;)
Not only do straight women have varied taste in men (thank goodness, less competition), but the same is true of non-straight men. While there are societal standards of taste, none of us have to adhere to them. Most of us have met people who started off very good-looking but then, as they became known, uglied up to the degree that others who bore their resemblance tend to also get viewed with distaste. And vice versa, fortunately.
Ditto.
 
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Protectors from what? Other men, mostly. This is red-pill stuff.
Yes, other men...or any other threat for that matter.

Did you see the link I posted before?

While people can try to pretend they've risen above the baser evolutionary urges, the findings I linked earlier were pretty clear cut.

"Our data couldn’t find even a single woman that preferred weaker or feminine male bodies."

The analysis stands to disprove the theory that Hulk-like men who amass too much strength go too far the other way, with women supposedly rejecting the extreme bodybuilder physique.

Aaron Lukaszewski, an evolutionary psychologist at California State University, explained the theory as such men have benefits 'ancestrally, in terms of the ability to acquire resources, protecting offspring, hunting and so on' but that it comes with a cost.

He continued: "[A]t a certain point, mating with highly dominant men, they can exert all this aggressive coercive control and there might be costs."

But even if there are perceived problems with being 'too muscular', it apparently bypasses the female gaze.



Another link discussing it

As this article comedically put it:
If you are a man with a female partner and you don't have the perfect body, go ahead and ask her what kind of body type she prefers in men. We'll wait.

Ok, have you done that? If she said anything other than "massive rippling abs", "oiled bulging biceps", or "pecs that can dance up and down on command", there's a good chance she's lying to you out of kindness

The biggest predictor of how attractive the men were to the women in the study was their perceived physical strength. The men thought to be the strongest made up 70 percent of the men thought to be the most attractive.


And it also noted
“Even if you’re a bit overweight, looking strong can buffer that."


Reader's digest version: Most women have a natural preference for men who look strong.

Knowing that, what do you suppose the practical, real-world applications of physical strength are with regards to evolutionary biology? (Hint: it's not opening pickle jars or being able to move the couch)
 
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Does it?

No need to put evolution aside - our simian cousins are very like us. When studied more thoroughly, that whole "alpha male" thing seems to have been a combination of myth, invention and misinterpretation.

Not only do straight women have varied taste in men (thank goodness, less competition), but the same is true of non-straight men. While there are societal standards of taste, none of us have to adhere to them. Most of us have met people who started off very good-looking but then, as they became known, uglied up to the degree that others who bore their resemblance tend to also get viewed with distaste. And vice versa, fortunately.

Ditto.
Yes, it makes sense attraction changes with age and with experience.

Think of very young teen girls liking “pretty boys,” then liking more mature men as they are older.

That’s a lifelong thing.

(Not to go off topic, but there is many nursing homes where mostly elderly citizens live have a huge rate of stds, surprisingly. Maybe not necessarily a high rate, but it’s definitely occurring)
 
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Yes, it makes sense attraction changes with age and with experience.

Think of very young teen girls liking “pretty boys,” then liking more mature men as they are older.
I think so, too.
That’s a lifelong thing.
For most people - we've all met the others. :eek:
(Not to go off topic, but there is many nursing homes where mostly elderly citizens live have a huge rate of stds, surprisingly. Maybe not necessarily a high rate, but it’s definitely occurring)
Hopefully, this is due to the residents finding comfort in each other and not the caretakers taking advantage.
 
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Having an ai relationship..seriously, wow.


Self explanatory, it is not a real relationship in essence......
It's like writing a story about yourself in a relationship with the person of your dreams. It can be fun and if it fullfills a need of someone, I'm not going to judge them or try to convince them that they should stop enjoying themselves. But it's not terribly impressive, either.
 
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It's like writing a story about yourself in a relationship with the person of your dreams. It can be fun and if it fullfills a need of someone, I'm not going to judge them or try to convince them that they should stop enjoying themselves. But it's not terribly impressive, either.
Any “invention” that allows people to lie to themselves more convincingly, is going to be a hit, until it’s not.
 
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