Sugar Molecules Found In Space

AV1611VET · Saturday at 8:04 PM

My advice to academia is:

Hire an artist to depict this discovery in a beautiful, natural, peaceful setting; as if you're there seeing it yourself.
Roll out at least three different hypotheses and one theory as to what this discovery is telling us.
Get those $275.00 science textbooks updated and into the university bookstores ASAP.
Hand out Nobel prizes and other academic honors so as to legitimize your work and build a legacy to leave behind.
Get on it ASAP before the next discovery pwns everything.

Remember -- publish or perish.

A couple of good examples of #4 above, are:

CHARLES DARWIN

He was so wrong, he wasn't even right. Yet he was buried in a prominent graveyard, had a capital city of a major continent named after him, has his face on a £10 note, and given an honorific epithet (the father of evolution). All because it was done before his theories were dismissed.

CLYDE TOMBAUGH

His work was pwned by a rigged vote. But not before he received numerous honors and awards, including a University of Kansas scholarship, an asteroid named in his honor, and a portion of his ashes carried aboard NASA's New Horizons spacecraft past Pluto.

Bradskii · Saturday at 9:49 PM

AV1611VET said:
My advice to academia is:

I was going to ask that you please confine yourself to the matters mentioned in the OP. But as there's only one person in the thread who actually knows what he's talking about...

Hans Blaster · Saturday at 10:20 PM

AV1611VET said:
My advice to academia is:

Hire an artist to depict this discovery in a beautiful, natural, peaceful setting; as if you're there seeing it yourself.

Roll out at least three different hypotheses and one theory as to what this discovery is telling us.

Get those $275.00 science textbooks updated and into the university bookstores ASAP.

Hand out Nobel prizes and other academic honors so as to legitimize your work and build a legacy to leave behind.

Get on it ASAP before the next discovery pwns everything.

Remember -- publish or perish.

A couple of good examples of #4 above, are:

CHARLES DARWIN

He was so wrong, he wasn't even right. Yet he was buried in a prominent graveyard, had a capital city of a major continent named after him, has his face on a £10 note, and given an honorific epithet (the father of evolution). All because it was done before his theories were dismissed.

CLYDE TOMBAUGH

His work was pwned by a rigged vote. But not before he received numerous honors and awards, including a University of Kansas scholarship, an asteroid named in his honor, and a portion of his ashes carried aboard NASA's New Horizons spacecraft past Pluto.

Please quit drinking the space methanol.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984A&A...130..227J

First Detection of Methyl Alcohol in a Planet-forming Disc

The organic molecule methyl alcohol (methanol) has been found by the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) in the TW Hydrae protoplanetary disc. This is the first such detection of the […]

astrobiology.com

AV1611VET · Saturday at 11:03 PM

Bradskii said:
I was going to ask that you please confine yourself to the matters mentioned in the OP. But as there's only one person in the thread who actually knows what he's talking about...

Fair enough.

According to the article, scientists found sugar in space and it could re-write the origin of life.

There's their thoughts, I gave you my thoughts, and now I'd like your thoughts.

Bradskii · Saturday at 11:16 PM

AV1611VET said:
There's their thoughts, I gave you my thoughts, and now I'd like your thoughts.

My thoughts? I think you should post less on matters that you don't understand and listen more to what @Hans Blaster says, because he does understand these matters.

mindlight · Sunday at 1:29 AM

Hans Blaster said:
Not the subject.

Read the OP again - it spoke about 'space-sugar' in relation to the origin of life. The path proposed by most scientists between non-biological and biological life is abiogenesis which requires all the building block s to be in place. This is one of the building blocks and is interesting as such because maybe space-sugar was used rather than earth-sugar to create that little dot of something out of a large dollop of nothing. But the problem here is that the theory is bunkum. Space-sugar is only interesting in itself - it has no implications for life on earth.

johansen · Sunday at 3:50 AM

mindlight said:
it has no implications for life on earth.

that's where it gets a little weird.

you can have a molecule of anything, survive a trip to a planet.

even if 99.9999...% is destroyed in the process.

Lost4words · Sunday at 6:01 AM

I like science but, some of it is just guessing etc.

Servus · Sunday at 6:08 AM

One wonders how many scientific facts established 50 years ago have since been discarded.

Hans Blaster · Sunday at 9:52 AM

mindlight said:
Read the OP again -

Didn't realize this thread had an "OP". (I blocked it.)

mindlight said:
it spoke about 'space-sugar' in relation to the origin of life.

A bit of "rewrite our theories" overhype about an actual discovery.

mindlight said:
The path proposed by most scientists between non-biological and biological life is abiogenesis which requires all the building block s to be in place.

The only one that makes sense, but the OP (now that i looked at it) is not about how abiogenesis takes place or if it takes place, just positing that one potentially useful precursor chemical (this sugar) could come from the molecular cloud that birthed our planet rather than forming on Earth after formation.

mindlight said:
This is one of the building blocks and is interesting as such because maybe space-sugar was used rather than earth-sugar to create that little dot of something out of a large dollop of nothing.

That's what I just said.

mindlight said:
But the problem here is that the theory is bunkum.

Which theory? Space sugar coming to Earth from our asteroids and comets.

mindlight said:
Space-sugar is only interesting in itself - it has no implications for life on earth.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Bradskii · Sunday at 5:13 PM

Servus said:
One wonders how many scientific facts established 50 years ago have since been discarded.

Perhaps you could explain what other options there might be. From here: What Is a Scientific Fact? Facts vs. Theories Explained

'A scientific fact is an observation about the natural world that has been repeatedly confirmed through experiment or direct measurement and is accepted as true for all practical purposes. The key distinction from everyday usage of the word “fact” is that scientific facts are never considered permanently settled. What counts as a fact today can be modified or even discarded tomorrow if new evidence demands it.'

I know (for a fact) that AV doesn't know that. I thought that you would have.

AV1611VET · Sunday at 6:46 PM

Bradskii said:
I know (for a fact) that AV doesn't know that. I thought that you would have.

The difference is: facts are harder to discard, than theories, theories are harder to discard than hypotheses, and hypotheses are harder to discard than observations.

Bradskii · Sunday at 7:27 PM

AV1611VET said:
The difference is: facts are harder to discard, than theories, theories are harder to discard than hypotheses, and hypotheses are harder to discard than observations.

And the enemy of any change? Ignorance.

AV1611VET · Sunday at 8:25 PM

Bradskii said:
And the enemy of any change? Ignorance.

What's your excuse for not changing?

Are you planning to stay an atheist all your life?

Bradskii · Sunday at 8:32 PM

AV1611VET said:
What's your excuse for not changing?

I don't need an excuse for maintaining any given position. But I'll need a reason. And it's exactly the same reason for anything remaining the same. Nothing has been presented to cause a change.

Now back to sugar molecules...

AV1611VET · Sunday at 9:00 PM

Bradskii said:
I don't need an excuse for maintaining any given position.

Then give us the reason.

Is it ... as you put it ... ignorance?

If the enemy of change is ignorance, and you aren't changing, who's your enemy?

Bradskii said:
But I'll need a reason.

Let's hear it.

Bradskii said:
And it's exactly the same reason for anything remaining the same.

Ignorance?

Bradskii said:
Nothing has been presented to cause a change.

Would you know it, if it was?

Or are you going to claim ignorance on judgement day, thinking God will accept that excuse/reason?

Bradskii said:
Now back to sugar molecules...

What about them?

You tell me.

I say they're an embarrassment to academians -- forcing them back to the drawing board.

I also say they are exposing scientists for jumping to conclusions, since I'm sure they're going to tell us all about this sugar discovery in a way that makes them look like they know everything and anything about it.

26,000 light years away, and somehow they know some of it came here and kick started our organic molecules.

Mamma mia.

Junk like this ...

... is outright lying and duplicity.

I pray this newly-found "peccary tooth" ends up educating the public as to how science uses artwork to dupe us.

johansen · Sunday at 9:01 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Didn't realize this thread had an "OP". (I blocked it.)

a few things make more sense now.

i forgot i had them blocked too.

AV1611VET · Sunday at 9:06 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Didn't realize this thread had an "OP". (I blocked it.)

johansen said:
a few things make more sense now.

i forgot i had them blocked too.

That's what happens when you block people.

You make mistakes.

That's how we got a whole list of tragedies laid at the feet of scientists.

Bradskii · Sunday at 9:28 PM

AV1611VET said:
Then give us the reason.

Good grief, man. I just did. If a post is directed to you then I would have thought that the least you do was read it. It was less than 2 lines, for heaven's sake.

Bradskii · Sunday at 9:30 PM

johansen said:
a few things make more sense now.

i forgot i had them blocked too.

I'm very tempted to rejoin that group...

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