New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote

Aldebaran said:

The far-left leanings of both of those sources against Trump and Republicans discredits your assertions.

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Thus your point has been reduced to a logical fallacy.
Ignore the source.
Read the quotes within the source.
The same kind of multiple posted quotes in this thread, by multiple other republicans.

Let us count the ways that you express your ignorance...

Aldebaran said:

100 years means nothing.

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It does mean that the NAACP is not a "far-left website", since the oldest websites are much younger than that (just over 30 years old).

Aldebaran said:

200 years is how long the democratic party has existed,

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The NAACP is not the Democratic party.

Aldebaran said:

and it exploited black people by fighting to keep them as slaves.

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The "democratic party" did not "fight to keep slaves". Southerners did, particularly the slave-holding ones. There were anti-slave Democrats throughout the country, particularly in the North. Not to mention those that were sort of neutral on the topic.

Aldebaran said:

They fought a civil war to keep slavery around.

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That would be the secessionist, traitor states, not "the democratic party".

Some Federal generals who were Democratic politicians included:

John Logan, XV Corps (temporary command of Army of The Tennessee during the Battle of Atlanta, July 22, 1864 after McPherson died)

John McClearnand, XIII Corps, dismissed for failures

Plenty of Democrats served the US in the Civil War and remained Democrats after the war.

Aldebaran said:

They were also associated with the KKK.

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The "first rising" of the KKK was as a terrorist group to stop freedmen from voting and reclaim "white power". Slaves voted with the party of Lincoln, so the "white power" voted the opposite.

The "second rising" of the KKK (~1920s) was more politically diverse. Outside the south, it was involved in both parties and the mid-1920s Indiana GOP government was completely controlled by the klan.

Aldebaran said:

(Look it up if you don't believe me).

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ditto.

Aldebaran said:

It was a Republican president that freed the slaves.

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Which has nothing to do with Democrats, then or now. The GOP can put that in their cap, if they like.

Aldebaran said:

So much for the amount of time of existence giving automatic credence.

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Imagine how little credence your church has then...

I only mentioned the age of the NAACP to remind (inform?) you that the NAACP is not "a web site" nor some "leftist group". Their purpose from the start to the present (that's the more than 100 year part) has *always* been about advancing the rights and status of Black people in American society. (If you think that to be leftist and you oppose the leftists, then what does that say about your view of the rights of Black people? Hmmm. Perhaps you should rethink your statements.)

Aldebaran said:

Don't count on organizations that lean hard in the same direction

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what direction? (we are talking about the NAACP again, right?) The direction of the Democratic Party? The NAACP has not been aligned with the Democratic Party for its existence. Quite the opposite. Though the NAACP is a non-partisan organization and always has been.

Aldebaran said:

to be the ones looking out for black people if they're going to assume black people can't even provide a valid ID for themselves to vote in an election to determine the direction of their own country.

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Do you just not listen to any of the things told to you about efforts to make it harder to get an ID that are aimed at certain groups?

[I count about a half-dozen expressions of ignorance. Quite impressive.]

Mainly Against certain people who are considered African-Americans and generally vote Democrat. Let's not leave out the Latinos who mainly vote Democrat - oh and there are our asian brothers as well.
Party affiliation of US voters by race, ethnicity, education | Pew Research Center 2. Partisanship by race, ethnicity and education

Hopefully the people will get all of their paperwork / documents in order. Do RIDE SHARE to be able to get to voting places, since they are trying to block mail in voting.
Moulton Introduces Bill to Block Trump Administration's Interference in Mail-In Voting | Congressman Seth Moulton Moulton Introduces Bill to Block Trump Administration's Interference in Mail-In Voting

Dale said:

Since some think that the NAACP is an organization of grumblers, I will use the ABA, the American Bar Association.

I am quoting from an article on the ABA website by Jessica Brock, Chief Counsel for the ABA’s Commission on Law and Aging. She is also a former nun, she was a member of Sisters of the Holy Cross. The article is less than two years old.

<< There is evidence that voter identification laws disproportionately affect certain populations, including racial minorities, low-income voters, student voters, and older adults. >>

Although the Convent was a polling station:
<< On election day in 2008, several Holy Cross Sisters were not able to cast a ballot because they did not have photo ID. … There was concern, at the time, that Indiana’s voter ID law put unjust burdens on those less likely to have a driver’s license, like older adults. >>

<< There is evidence that voter identification laws disproportionately affect certain populations including racial minorities, low-income voters, student voters, and older adults. Perhaps as much as 18 percent of voters over the age of 65 do not have photo ID. The most common form of photo ID is a driver’s license, and a good number of older adults do not drive. >>

Also: << Some older adults may not have a birth certificate at all having been born outside of hospitals. >>


Article:

The Impact of Voter ID Laws on Older AdultsOctober 16, 2024​

By Jessica Brock​

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/law_aging/publications/bifocal/vol46/vol46issue1/voteridlawsandolderadults/

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There is those who don't have and those who can't get. As for those who can't get, the question is what is prohibiting them? I don't mean hypothetical and speculative reasons, but rather actual unsolvable reasons.

Aldebaran said:

Nearly each point in your post was so non-sensical as to not being worth the time to address each item.

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I accept your surrender.

Aldebaran said:

I mean, as if southern democrats fighting in the civil war (totally ignoring which side they were on) somehow refutes what I said....good grief! Their goal was to keep slavery legal. You understand that, right?

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I haven't put any effort into studying the internal politics of psuedo-state calling itself the "confederate states of america" so I couldn't tell you anything about it. I don't know if they even had any elections. Frankly I don't care. We (the USA) whipped them good from Vicksburg to the Bald Hill.

Aldebaran said:

And then pointing out that slaves voted for the party of Lincoln as if it proved that their owners weren't southern democrats who wanted slavery to continue? Smh.

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You are getting linguistically confused. No slaves were voting, nor did any GOP voters have "owners".

Antebellum southern slave drivers were democrats and whigs with party alignment in enormous flux. They voted for treason and then rebelled. The party realignment you are inferring happened *AFTER* the war, when the southern segregationist aligned against the Lincoln party and with the old Jackson party. Alignment would shift again after the Civil Rights Acts and the segregationists shifted from the Dems to the GOP where they were welcomed with open arms by Nixon (southern strategy) to Reagan. We could now talk about how public declarations from segregation were hard to organize politics under, so they cooked up abortion as a substitute, but this thread is about how they use built in disadvantages against Black people to make it harder for them to vote.

Aldebaran said:

Ok, let's stick with that then. What "built-in disadvantages" does a black person have that doesn't allow him to even get a free photo ID for voting?

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Why narrow to "ID"? That was not my question, nor the topic.

None of these things are about "a black person" but of population statistics. Several examples have been given already in this thread (or in some parallel thread, who can recall). Every one met with dismissal.

So I shall leave you with a cornucopia of statistical relationships regarding GOP voter suppression efforts for all sorts of groups.


And that one doesn't even include attempts to suppress the votes of young people, generally.

Servus said:

Wasn't BLM supposed to be a civil rights organization too? A problem with civil rights organizations is they depend on problems continuing to stay financially solvent. For example the NAACP president makes close to a million dollars per year.

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You start from the assumption that Black Lives Matter is the enemy. They are not my enemy. What do you have against them?

Dale said:

You start from the assumption that Black Lives Matter is the enemy. They are not my enemy. What do you have against them?

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The BLM organization was full of corruption and only made things worse.

Dale said:

I'm sure that my experience is a very small part of the big picture but try this.
I can walk to my voting precinct, it is about three doors down. The last time I went to vote on something I didn't see any other voters, I was the only one there except for the workers. I asked the greeter how many people had voted today. He said that I was the 49th voter.
Then I look at election coverage on TV. It shows black voters trying to vote, with a line coming out of the building and stretching for two blocks. They sure have a lot of patience.

I don't know exactly how this comes about, but they make it easy for me to vote, and surprisingly difficult for some other people to vote.

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Decades ago, I was in a precinct that was one of two that voted at the assembly hall of an elementary school. When I arrived to vote at 7 in the morning there was a line going out the door and down the street to vote.

I was lucky, it was for the other precinct. There was no real difference between the 2. It was just that one had new workers who were not up to speed.

Fortunately, this was well before the current round of dirty tricks and a couple of the staff from my precinct went over to show teh new people how to get things done.

Aldebaran said:

A violent organization that spread violence across the country costing dozens of lives and billions of dollars. Then it ends up collapsing as a wasteful fraud where the founders of it ended up living in multiple million dollar mansions and those the organiztion what said to help ended up with nothing. With friends like that, who needs an enemy?

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They were still kicking as of 2024, ProPublica helpfully published the review of BLM’s 990, and though the Department of (what we’re calling) Justice began an investigation into BLM in October of 2025, the issue of what BLM has done with monies donated seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth.

EDIT: (No goading, Pommer, ol’ chap!)

Aldebaran said:

None of what you said is evidence that black people can't get an ID to vote.

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That evidence was already provided.

Aldebaran said:

I know this won't change your mind, but it should if you care about Americans' votes being cancelled out by the votes of illegals.

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Whose votes were cancelled? Please name them.

Aldebaran said:

400 Americans had their vote cancelled as a result. One is too many.

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Can you name the Americans whose votes were cancelled?

Aldebaran said:

Free identification is already provided to those who can't get a driver's license.

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No it's not, if you don't have a birth certificate, and millions don't.

Aldebaran said:

Ok, let's stick with that then. What "built-in disadvantages" does a black person have that doesn't allow him to even get a free photo ID for voting?

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20% of blacks born in the south in 1939/40 were never issued a birth certificate.

Aldebaran said:

A violent organization that spread violence across the country costing dozens of lives and billions of dollars.

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You must be talking about all those riots incited by conservatives during Trump's administration.