New GOP efforts to make it harder to vote

A2SG · Friday at 10:36 PM

Aldebaran said:
That all sounds nice, but since you have no evidence to offer for any of it, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

The evidence has been offered over and over again, several times within this thread alone. You can choose to ignore it or dismiss it if you wish, but it's there.

Even putting all of that aside, this is still a solution in search of a problem. The fact remains, fraudulent voting is an exceptionally minor issue, it's very rare and has never been shown to affect the overall results of an election. It's a non-issue, and the attempts to "fix" that non-issue seem far more likely to serve some other purpose.

-- A2SG, what could that other purpose be, I wonder?

Dale · Friday at 10:40 PM

Aldebaran said:
An often repeated claim that has never been proven.

I’m not sure what anyone has said on this thread, but look at the facts. I found the following on the website of the NAACP. These are excerpts.

<< WHEREAS, there is an unprecedented effort nationally by some state legislatures to restrict the voting rights by tightening rules for voters, including requirements for photo identification, in the name of preventing fraud … >>

<< WHEREAS, proposals to change voting regulations have frequently affected younger voters, particularly college students, as well as low income communities, racial and ethnic minorities, women, and senior citizens … >>

<< WHEREAS, there is an unprecedented effort nationally by some state legislatures to restrict the voting rights by tightening rules for voters, including requirements for photo identification, in the name of preventing fraud; and

WHEREAS, studies have shown that there is no evidence that widespread voting fraud has been uncovered; and

WHEREAS, proposals to change voting regulations have frequently affected younger voters, particularly college students, as well as low income communities, racial and ethnic minorities, women, and senior citizens … >>

<< WHEREAS, in Maine, the Secretary of State investigated 200 students for fraud. After finding no evidence, he sent the students a letter warning them to register their cars in Maine or to cancel their voter registrations; and

WHEREAS, in Texas, voters must show a photo identification, however a state handgun license qualifies, but a state university identification card does not; and

WHEREAS, students in North Carolina have also complained of government efforts, separate from the new voting law, to shut down voting sites at Appalachian State University and Winston-Salem State University … >>

Source
NAACP Opposes Discriminatory Attacks on the Voting Rights of Young Voters by Using Stringent Voter Photo ID Laws and Other Disenfranchising Obstacles

NAACP Opposes Discriminatory Attacks on the Voting Rights of Young Voters by Using Stringent Voter Photo ID Laws and Other Disenfranchising Obstacles

Aldebaran · Friday at 11:16 PM

A2SG said:
The evidence has been offered over and over again, several times within this thread alone. You can choose to ignore it or dismiss it if you wish, but it's there.

Even putting all of that aside, this is still a solution in search of a problem. The fact remains, fraudulent voting is an exceptionally minor issue, it's very rare and has never been shown to affect the overall results of an election. It's a non-issue, and the attempts to "fix" that non-issue seem far more likely to serve some other purpose.

-- A2SG, what could that other purpose be, I wonder?

I know this won't change your mind, but it should if you care about Americans' votes being cancelled out by the votes of illegals.

https://www.njspotlightnews.org/2026/07/new-jersey-voter-glitch-delivers-republicans-a-gift-in-elections-fight/

WASHINGTON — By withholding information from the public about voter registration errors, New Jersey handed a political gift to Republicans in Washington and Trenton, an omission that provided political kindling for a partisan fight over who can cast ballots.

Gov. Mikie Sherrill said a software glitch in a Motor Vehicle Commission system allowed about 6,600 people who are not U.S. citizens to register to vote. The yearlong error, starting in June 2023, enabled about 400 individuals to vote in at least one election, Sherrill said Tuesday.

Aldebaran · Friday at 11:18 PM

Dale said:
I’m not sure what anyone has said on this thread, but look at the facts. I found the following on the website of the NAACP. These are excerpts.

<< WHEREAS, there is an unprecedented effort nationally by some state legislatures to restrict the voting rights by tightening rules for voters, including requirements for photo identification, in the name of preventing fraud … >>

<< WHEREAS, proposals to change voting regulations have frequently affected younger voters, particularly college students, as well as low income communities, racial and ethnic minorities, women, and senior citizens … >>

<< WHEREAS, there is an unprecedented effort nationally by some state legislatures to restrict the voting rights by tightening rules for voters, including requirements for photo identification, in the name of preventing fraud; and

WHEREAS, studies have shown that there is no evidence that widespread voting fraud has been uncovered; and

WHEREAS, proposals to change voting regulations have frequently affected younger voters, particularly college students, as well as low income communities, racial and ethnic minorities, women, and senior citizens … >>

<< WHEREAS, in Maine, the Secretary of State investigated 200 students for fraud. After finding no evidence, he sent the students a letter warning them to register their cars in Maine or to cancel their voter registrations; and

WHEREAS, in Texas, voters must show a photo identification, however a state handgun license qualifies, but a state university identification card does not; and

WHEREAS, students in North Carolina have also complained of government efforts, separate from the new voting law, to shut down voting sites at Appalachian State University and Winston-Salem State University … >>

Source
NAACP Opposes Discriminatory Attacks on the Voting Rights of Young Voters by Using Stringent Voter Photo ID Laws and Other Disenfranchising Obstacles

NAACP Opposes Discriminatory Attacks on the Voting Rights of Young Voters by Using Stringent Voter Photo ID Laws and Other Disenfranchising Obstacles

Just the type of thing one would expect on a far left political site exploiting "colored people".
Still just a bunch of allegations. Doesn't prove that people who have differently colored skin can't access a valid ID to vote (or board a plane, or buy alcohol, or drive a car, or get a job, or rent an apartment, or apply for government benefits, or open a bank account, or start utility service, or cash a check, etc.)

A2SG · Friday at 11:36 PM

Aldebaran said:
I know this won't change your mind, but it should if you care about Americans' votes being cancelled out by the votes of illegals.

https://www.njspotlightnews.org/2026/07/new-jersey-voter-glitch-delivers-republicans-a-gift-in-elections-fight/
WASHINGTON — By withholding information from the public about voter registration errors, New Jersey handed a political gift to Republicans in Washington and Trenton, an omission that provided political kindling for a partisan fight over who can cast ballots.

Gov. Mikie Sherrill said a software glitch in a Motor Vehicle Commission system allowed about 6,600 people who are not U.S. citizens to register to vote. The yearlong error, starting in June 2023, enabled about 400 individuals to vote in at least one election, Sherrill said Tuesday.

Okay, so for one election, in one specific state, about 400 people voted who shouldn't have been able to. No data on whether or not it affected the results of the election, though (Harris carried NJ in 2024 by over 250,000 votes, by the way). Plus, the error was caught, and corrected.

-- A2SG, not sure I see the problem, I gotta say....

Hans Blaster · Friday at 11:53 PM

Aldebaran said:
Just the type of thing one would expect on a far left political site exploiting "colored people".

Seriously? Want to try again?

The NAACP is a CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION that has been around for more than 100 years. They do not "exploit colored people".

Dale · Saturday at 12:08 AM

Aldebaran said:
Just the type of thing one would expect on a far left political site exploiting "colored people".
Still just a bunch of allegations. Doesn't prove that people who have differently colored skin can't access a valid ID to vote (or board a plane, or buy alcohol, or drive a car, or get a job, or rent an apartment, or apply for government benefits, or open a bank account, or start utility service, or cash a check, etc.)

You keep changing your mind about what you are asking us to prove. First you said that Democrats are putting words in the mouth of black people. Then you say that black people don't know what they are talking about.

Servus · Saturday at 1:24 AM

Hans Blaster said:
Seriously? Want to try again?

The NAACP is a CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION that has been around for more than 100 years. They do not "exploit colored people".

Wasn't BLM supposed to be a civil rights organization too? A problem with civil rights organizations is they depend on problems continuing to stay financially solvent. For example the NAACP president makes close to a million dollars per year.

Servus · Saturday at 1:30 AM

Dale said:
You keep changing your mind about what you are asking us to prove. First you said that Democrats are putting words in the mouth of black people. Then you say that black people don't know what they are talking about.

There's a difference between what an organization that needs problems to exist claims, and what the black community in general testifies. One wonders if there have been polls asking black voters if being black inhibits them from being able to vote like everyone else.

NxNW · Saturday at 9:04 AM

Aldebaran said:
Right, as I noted in post #386. Some people don't believe them though. The chosen narrative wasn't being adhered to.

That's not a representative sample, as my post proved using actual statistics, rather than cherry-picked anecdotes.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 10:30 AM

A2SG said:
Okay, so for one election, in one specific state, about 400 people voted who shouldn't have been able to. No data on whether or not it affected the results of the election, though (Harris carried NJ in 2024 by over 250,000 votes, by the way). Plus, the error was caught, and corrected.

-- A2SG, not sure I see the problem, I gotta say....

400 Americans had their vote cancelled as a result. One is too many.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 10:33 AM

Hans Blaster said:
Seriously? Want to try again?

The NAACP is a CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION that has been around for more than 100 years. They do not "exploit colored people".

100 years means nothing. 200 years is how long the democratic party has existed, and it exploited black people by fighting to keep them as slaves. They fought a civil war to keep slavery around. They were also associated with the KKK. (Look it up if you don't believe me). It was a Republican president that freed the slaves.
So much for the amount of time of existence giving automatic credence. Don't count on organizations that lean hard in the same direction to be the ones looking out for black people if they're going to assume black people can't even provide a valid ID for themselves to vote in an election to determine the direction of their own country.

Say it aint so · Saturday at 10:33 AM

Aldebaran said:
Your post reminds me of what democrats have been trying to do and are counting on people with skin color to make sure black people will keep democrats in power.

The Democrats’ Big Decision: Black Representation or More Blue Seats?
But the next act in the drama over Black representation will be driven in part by Democratic leaders, some of them Black, who face a difficult decision. Do they preserve the majority-Black, overwhelmingly Democratic districts in blue states like New York, Illinois, Maryland and New Jersey? Or do they maximize Democratic representation in the House by diluting urban districts dominated by Black voters and expanding their boundaries into the suburbs. Doing the latter would allow them to target Republican House members in those states.

Your post is so ironic.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 10:34 AM

Dale said:
You keep changing your mind about what you are asking us to prove. First you said that Democrats are putting words in the mouth of black people. Then you say that black people don't know what they are talking about.

Can you quote me as to when I said either of those things?

Aldebaran · Saturday at 10:38 AM

If illegal aliens in this country are able to acquire a driver's license, then it is silly to assume that a black person who is already an American can't do the same. Even if he couldn't get an actual driver's license for some reason, he could still get a free identification for voting purposes. To assume that they cannot do even that is truly racist.

Say it aint so · Saturday at 10:57 AM

Aldebaran said:
If illegal aliens in this country are able to acquire a driver's license, then it is silly to assume that a black person who is already an American can't do the same. Even if he couldn't get an actual driver's license for some reason, he could still get a free identification for voting purposes. To assume that they cannot do even that is truly racist.

Not everyone drives, and again, there have been quotes here as the real reason why the desire for voting restrictions.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 11:03 AM

Say it aint so said:
Not everyone drives, and again, there have been quotes here as the real reason why the desire for voting restrictions.

Yes, for election security. It only makes sense to prove who you are to vote for the future of your country if you have to prove who you are to buy a beer, or any of those other things I already mentioned. I also told you that you don't even need a driver's license. Free identification is already provided to those who can't get a driver's license. If an illegal alien can get them, then an American black person can do so as well.

Say it aint so · Saturday at 11:08 AM

Aldebaran said:
Yes, for election security. It only makes sense to prove who you are to vote for the future of your country if you have to prove who you are to buy a beer, or any of those other things I already mentioned. I also told you that you don't even need a driver's license. Free identification is already provided to those who can't get a driver's license. If an illegal alien can get them, then an American black person can do so as well.

No. To suppress the vote. They say the quiet part out loud.

Trump just comes out and says it: The GOP is hurt when it’s easier to vote

Some Republicans Acknowledge Leveraging Voter ID Laws for Political Gain

Dale · Saturday at 11:13 AM

Servus said:
Wasn't BLM supposed to be a civil rights organization too? A problem with civil rights organizations is they depend on problems continuing to stay financially solvent. For example the NAACP president makes close to a million dollars per year.

Servus said:
There's a difference between what an organization that needs problems to exist claims, and what the black community in general testifies. One wonders if there have been polls asking black voters if being black inhibits them from being able to vote like everyone else.

Since some think that the NAACP is an organization of grumblers, I will use the ABA, the American Bar Association.

I am quoting from an article on the ABA website by Jessica Brock, Chief Counsel for the ABA’s Commission on Law and Aging. She is also a former nun, she was a member of Sisters of the Holy Cross. The article is less than two years old.

<< There is evidence that voter identification laws disproportionately affect certain populations, including racial minorities, low-income voters, student voters, and older adults. >>

Although the Convent was a polling station:
<< On election day in 2008, several Holy Cross Sisters were not able to cast a ballot because they did not have photo ID. … There was concern, at the time, that Indiana’s voter ID law put unjust burdens on those less likely to have a driver’s license, like older adults. >>

<< There is evidence that voter identification laws disproportionately affect certain populations including racial minorities, low-income voters, student voters, and older adults. Perhaps as much as 18 percent of voters over the age of 65 do not have photo ID. The most common form of photo ID is a driver’s license, and a good number of older adults do not drive. >>

Also: << Some older adults may not have a birth certificate at all having been born outside of hospitals. >>

Article:

The Impact of Voter ID Laws on Older AdultsOctober 16, 2024

By Jessica Brock

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/law_aging/publications/bifocal/vol46/vol46issue1/voteridlawsandolderadults/

Aldebaran · Saturday at 11:40 AM

Say it aint so said:
No. To suppress the vote. They say the quiet part out loud.

Trump just comes out and says it: The GOP is hurt when it’s easier to vote
Some Republicans Acknowledge Leveraging Voter ID Laws for Political Gain

The far-left leanings of both of those sources against Trump and Republicans discredits your assertions.

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