DHS: More Than 250,000 Noncitizens Are Registered To Vote In Four States

stevevw said:

Therefore to ensure there are none isn't it best to have checks and balances. Part of the problem is the lack of transparency. The system is designed to make it easy to accommodate illegal activity.

I guarentee there are illegal votes being used. They have already caught and identified how some of it is being done. Its in the nature of humans and politics to cheat.

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Lack of faith in the system is good for these people. division and mistrust.

Yarddog said:

Proof of citizen is already required when a person registers to vote. The problems arose when the DMV added them to voter rolls when they applied for a Drivers license, even though they said they were not citizens.

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Therefore you just acknowledged one problem. That some with drivers licence who are not citizens were registered to vote. Voter ID qualified by birth or citizenship would avoid such a mistake or slack system.

But if they allow gym cards as a way to register to vote then that is not a good system. Anyone can get s gym card.

Yarddog said:

Agreed and that is what Democrats want in the Save AMERICA ACT.

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Then you agree that the system needs tightening up with voter ID's properly qualified by birth and citizenship. Then we can look at helping those exceptions who find it harder.

We have in my State all sorts of support for people getting their ID because the same ID is needed for qualifying for benefits and housing. So grants are given to specifically help and fast track ID. The government literally pays people to get ID and then assigns organisations to help them.

But no one is saying because its harder for some that we must abolish the whole idea of ID verification.

Yarddog said:

What makes you say that? It doesn't match anyone that I know.

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Because the vast majority support voter ID. They don't see it as an issue. That people who are not blacks or minorities want to make it an issue on their behalf is what offends them when they have clearly stated its not an issue and will be willing to get ID.

Its more about the percieved barriers that some may face in getting ID. Not that they are incapable. You don't need to be Einstien to get ID. Its not a complicated issue. Its more about the hassel of getting the proper docs like a birth certificate. But its not hard to get a birth certificate. Births, deaths and Marriages have all the certificates under one department. So its a case of applying and the time it takes.

Yarddog said:

Yes.

What multi-tiered eligibility? You have to be a citizen to vote in most states. You prove it when you register to vote but many states don't require a photo I'D when you vote.

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It depends on the city or State. That they have different criteria is aprt of what makes it complicated. Rather than one unified system in all cities and States and Federally. !0 different qualifications instead of one. Such as some cities allowing gym membership or credit cards and others not.

Allowing non citizens to come in and vote takes away from legal locals. It skews the outcomes by allowing those who may still be citizens of other nations influencing another city or States integrity and administration.

Yarddog said:

Only a few states allow non-citizens to vote in some local elections, like the School Board.

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How do they know. If you can register to vote with a gym card how can they know this is not a non citizen. Nothing has qaulified them as a citizen or not because you don't have to be a citizen to get a gym card or the like.

Yarddog said:

Non-citizens voting isn't a problem in the US.

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Why. It seems strange that a person who is not a legal citizen and a citizen of another nation can then influence the voting outcome of a nation they don't belong to. If there was a vote for anything like a body corporate and some person who is not part of that body can vote on what happens in that corporate is crazy.

Its like allowing a someone from another city of State to come into your neighbourhood and vote on what happens in your street and home.

Yarddog said:

Election interference is.

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yes I agree

Yarddog said:

The US Constitution leaves elections in the hands of the states. The citizens of each state vote on how that is done. It isn't anyone else's business how they do it as long as they are secure, which multiple investigations have proven them secure.

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Then what are the National Voter Registration Act and the Help America Vote Act.

The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) provides that states must "conduct a general program that makes a reasonable effort to remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters" due to death or residency change.

The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) sets additional requirements, including that states maintain "in a uniform and nondiscriminatory manner, a single, uniform, official, centralized, interactive computerized statewide voter registration list" containing the names and registration information of all registered voters. HAVA further requires states to ensure voter registration records are "accurate and are updated regularly," to make "a reasonable effort to remove registrants who are ineligible to vote," and to ensure eligible voters are not removed in error. HAVA provides that the Attorney General may bring a civil action against any state or jurisdiction "as may be necessary to carry out the uniform and nondiscriminatory election technology and administration requirements[.]"

The Civil Rights Act of 1960 (CRA) requires election officers to retain and preserve records "relating to any application, registration, payment of poll tax, or other act requisite to voting in such election" for 22 months, and to provide the Attorney General such records "for inspection, reproduction, and copying" upon demand in writing with a statement of the basis and the purpose of the demand.
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF13235