DHS: More Than 250,000 Noncitizens Are Registered To Vote In Four States

PloverWing · Monday at 10:22 AM

Some clarifying information on non-citizens voting in local elections.

One example of this is in Vermont. The legal residents of the cities of Burlington, Winooski, and Montpelier, Vermont, are allowed to vote in their local elections -- not federal or state, but local. From the Burlington government web page on "all legal resident voting":

What is All Legal Resident Voting?

All Legal Resident Voting allows full-time residents of Burlington who legally reside here, but do not have full U.S. citizenship, to vote in local elections. For example, green cardholders, residents with eligible work permits, or Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients are all eligible to register to vote in local elections.

Which items are Legal Residents eligible to vote on?

Legal Residents who are not United States citizens, are eligible to vote for:

Elected officials for the City of Burlington and Burlington School District, including Mayor, City Councilors, School Commissioners, and city election officers

Any questions pertaining to the City of Burlington or the Burlington School District

Legal residents who are not United States citizens are not permitted to vote in state or federal elections.

Source: https://www.burlingtonvt.gov/164/All-Legal-Resident-Voting

Related pages:

Vermont Supreme Court upholds Burlington noncitizen voting in school elections

The Vermont Supreme Court has upheld a ruling that noncitizens voting in local Burlington school elections does not violate the state constitution.

www.wcax.com

Vt. Supreme Court upholds Montpelier noncitizen voting

The state’s highest court issued a decision Friday, upholding a judge’s decision to dismiss a lawsuit.

www.wcax.com

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/04/1248787453/noncitizen-voting-local-elections-vermont

This policy was challenged in court, and it was upheld as being legal. To emphasize, the policy says that legal residents can vote in local elections. This has nothing to do with whether Trump won any of his presidential elections or who sits in the US Congress.

stevevw · Monday at 11:03 PM

Yarddog said:
Someone has is not a citizen.

A non-citizen may have come in legally or illegally.

We are talking about the 1,000's of illegal ones.

Yarddog said:
Yes, but coming illegally is treated as a misdemeanor

Then how does Section 275 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), codified as 8 U.S.C. § 1325 make this statute a federal crime if anyone enters without going through the proper channels of entry.

Besides it does not matter if its a misdemeanor as its still breaking the law. This is trying to minimise the legal status of the law and make illegally entering another nation as nothing to be concerned about. That is why the US and other western nations have been flooded with illegal immigrants.

Yarddog said:
and if someone comes in illegally and turns themselves in to Immigration and asks for asylum, they are then protected by US law and must go before an Immigration Court to rule on their status. This process may take several years and these people are under the protection of our laws.

And if they don't then they are illegal.

Yarddog said:
Which non-citizens are allowed to vote in local elections is set by those cities.

Yes santuary cities. These are the ones that need to be cleaned up. The ones where most of the illegal activuity is happening. The ones where the system is designed to be abused.

Yarddog said:
Their laws are the business of residents of those cities and not the Federal government. The States can make it illegal but that is the business of that state.

If you notice the legislation is a federal law. If you enter the nation illegally and not by the proper ports it is a federal crime.

Besides it seems crazy that a State or city within a nation could undermine that nation by allowing millions of illegals who then put a burden on the country to come in unvetted. Allowing drugs and crime to come in at the same time.

Yarddog said:
As your post says, " most local elections".

Yes so long as they are a citizen in the first place. It actually says non citizens are not allowed to just walk in.

Yarddog said:
Most of the numbers in the OP are not based on final analysis. They start with a number of suspected non-citizens on voter rolls and then investigate to ensure the person is not who they are suspected to be. Most suspects are found to actually be US citizens and the number drops dramatically.

Even 10,000 is too many. Why not tighten up voter ID and make sure to give people confidence in the integrity of voting. What are these santuary cities and States wanting to hide or keep a system that invites fraud.

Yarddog · Tuesday at 7:46 AM

stevevw said:
We are talking about the 1,000's of illegal ones.

No one has proven that 1000's of illegals are on the voter rolls. That is what they claim.

Fact-checking the Trump administration’s count of 250,000 noncitizens on the voter rolls

www.kcra.com

Gunny · Tuesday at 7:49 AM

Valletta said:
Without the SAVE America Act, the mechanisms available that could be used to check for citizenship status aren’t reliable.

DHS: Over 250K Noncitizens Are Registered To Vote In 4 States

There are more than 250,000 noncitizens illegally registered to vote in California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Nevada, according to DHS.

thefederalist.com

For the future of our country we need to pass the SAVE America Act.

Unequivocally.

Gunny · Tuesday at 7:50 AM

Valletta said:
Yes, apparently some of the major media is concealing the story from the public. Wikipedia? Wikipedia is very much politically controlled by the left.

Big time.

stevevw · Tuesday at 8:15 PM

Yarddog said:
No one has proven that 1000's of illegals are on the voter rolls. That is what they claim.

Fact-checking the Trump administration’s count of 250,000 noncitizens on the voter rolls

Fact-checking the Trump administration’s count of 250,000 noncitizens on the voter rolls

www.kcra.com

Therefore to ensure there are none isn't it best to have checks and balances. Part of the problem is the lack of transparency. The system is designed to make it easy to accommodate illegal activity.

I guarentee there are illegal votes being used. They have already caught and identified how some of it is being done. Its in the nature of humans and politics to cheat.

Yarddog · Tuesday at 10:54 PM

stevevw said:
Therefore to ensure there are none isn't it best to have checks and balances.

There are.

stevevw said:
Part of the problem is the lack of transparency.

I can see it. There are mistakes that occur but very little non-citizens actually vote. Why take a chance on getting caught and go to jail or get deported for a vote that means nothing.

stevevw said:
The system is designed to make it easy to accommodate illegal activity.

No it's not, unless you mean Republicans rigging the system so they win elections.

stevevw said:
I guarentee there are illegal votes being used.

Maybe, but most who do are Republicans. But that is still a very small number.

stevevw said:
They have already caught and identified how some of it is being done. Its in the nature of humans and politics to cheat.

I've never cheated on elections and know no one that has. So, no it is not the nature of humans to cheat, unless that it is in your country.

Valletta · Tuesday at 11:39 PM

Yarddog said:
There are.

I can see it. There are mistakes that occur but very little non-citizens actually vote. Why take a chance on getting caught and go to jail or get deported for a vote that means nothing.

No it's not, unless you mean Republicans rigging the system so they win elections.

Maybe, but most who do are Republicans. But that is still a very small number.

I've never cheated on elections and know no one that has. So, no it is not the nature of humans to cheat, unless that it is in your country.

The truth is New Jersey just found nearly 400 more non-citizens who voted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/07/21/nearly-400-noncitizens-voted-new-jersey-elections-governor-says/

One vote can change an election.

Yarddog · Wednesday at 8:54 AM

Valletta said:
The truth is New Jersey just found nearly 400 more non-citizens who voted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/07/21/nearly-400-noncitizens-voted-new-jersey-elections-governor-says/
One vote can change an election.

It can change an election and thankfully the glitch was found before it did. There are real problems, though, that are more dangerous than non-citizens voting.

PloverWing · Wednesday at 10:05 AM

I don't have a Washington Post subscription, but here's a paywall-free NY Times article about the New Jersey incident:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/21/nyregion/noncitizen-voting-new-jersey-error.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zlA.BkeA.I0cChfUjf8dv&smid=url-share

I note that NJ state officials found and corrected the error without the assistance of the federal government, and without the SAVE America Act. Gov. Sherrill is investigating the incident, and her administration has already begun putting remedies in place: removing ineligible people from voter rolls, printing voter registration rules at the MVC in multiple languages (instead of only English), and switching to a new software vendor.

Valletta · Wednesday at 8:52 PM

PloverWing said:
I don't have a Washington Post subscription, but here's a paywall-free NY Times article about the New Jersey incident:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/21/nyregion/noncitizen-voting-new-jersey-error.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zlA.BkeA.I0cChfUjf8dv&smid=url-share

I note that NJ state officials found and corrected the error without the assistance of the federal government, and without the SAVE America Act.

Let me first say that in my extensive experience In dealing with the federal government, scandals, whether in Republican or Democrat administrations, have been routinely covered up. Most people have no idea, mostly because they trust the press and the major media covers for the establishment. In this particular case the then-Democrat governor, Phil Murphy, and his administration covered this up.

Yarddog · Wednesday at 10:37 PM

Valletta said:
Let me first say that in my extensive experience In dealing with the federal government, scandals, whether in Republican or Democrat administrations, have been routinely covered up. Most people have no idea, mostly because they trust the press and the major media covers for the establishment. In this particular case the then-Democrat governor, Phil Murphy, and his administration covered this up.

I haven't been able to confirm that Murphy covered up the issue but, hopefully, if evidence shows that he did, they prosecute him.

PloverWing · Wednesday at 11:01 PM

Valletta said:
Let me first say that in my extensive experience In dealing with the federal government, scandals, whether in Republican or Democrat administrations, have been routinely covered up. Most people have no idea, mostly because they trust the press and the major media covers for the establishment. In this particular case the then-Democrat governor, Phil Murphy, and his administration covered this up.

According to the NY Times report: "Officials within the Sherrill administration became aware of the “serious software error” last week, the governor said, and began an immediate investigation. The error was discovered and corrected in 2024, while Philip D. Murphy was governor, but never publicly disclosed, Ms. Sherrill said." Presumably we'll know more once Gov. Sherrill has been able to investigate further.

The error was bad and should not have happened. Observe, though, that the new federal law a) wouldn't have prevented the error and b) was not necessary in order to remedy it.

stevevw · Thursday at 8:02 AM

Yarddog said:
There are.

Obviously there is not without voter ID. The majority of people including dems support voter ID for the very fact that the system is open to abuse as it stands. That is what the voter ID is designed to stop the loopholes in the current system.

Theres no sense checking a system that is open to fraud. Just change the system so its not open to fraud with voter ID. simple fix.

Yarddog said:
I can see it. There are mistakes that occur but very little non-citizens actually vote. Why take a chance on getting caught and go to jail or get deported for a vote that means nothing.

How can you see it of the system is designed to hide it. For example ballot harvesting is designed to allow anyone to collect votes and dump them into the system with any vetting.

It allows people to register with gym or credit cards. You can check their gym card but the gym card is the problem. The allowance of people registering to vote with gym cards.

We also see red flags where there are more votes floating around in the system than there are people in the State or city. Some cities and States never remove dead, or relocated voters. States like California have only had a fraction of a % of people removed from the rolls. Compared to 1,000s in other States.

Yarddog said:
No it's not, unless you mean Republicans rigging the system so they win elections.

I am talking about DEm states and cities right now. With massive descrepencies in their voter roles where 1,000s of illegal votes are still flaoting in the system.

Evidence with 100s of thousands of ghost voters, voter rolls not updated with 100.s of 1,000's of dead voters, out of state voters and illegal voters still on rolls. We know that because California only declared in certain counties that either no one or a very tiny % (0.4%) were taken off the rolls. Compared to all other States who have had 100.s of 1,000's taken off the rolls.

Put simply California has more votes floating out in the system than they have voters.

Yarddog said:
Maybe, but most who do are Republicans. But that is still a very small number.

I've never cheated on elections and know no one that has. So, no it is not the nature of humans to cheat, unless that it is in your country.

It is in the nature of politicians to cheat. Surveys show that people don't trust politicians to do the right thing. They rate even worse than used car salesman lol.

Yarddog · Thursday at 8:22 AM

stevevw said:
Obviously there is not without voter ID.

Incorrect. Obviously you don't know the voting systems. Voter ID is just another layer of checks and balances. Voter ID would not have stopped most of the issues because the non-citizens were issued ID's by the DMV when they were mistakenly added to the voter rolls.

stevevw said:
The majority of people including dems support voter ID for the very fact that the system is open to abuse as it stands. That is what the voter ID is designed to stop the loopholes in the current system.

Voter ID doesn't stop the problem but stops more legal voters who don't have ID's than non-citizens, who do.

Yarddog · Thursday at 8:49 AM

stevevw said:
Obviously there is not without voter ID. The majority of people including dems support voter ID for the very fact that the system is open to abuse as it stands. That is what the voter ID is designed to stop the loopholes in the current system.

Theres no sense checking a system that is open to fraud. Just change the system so its not open to fraud with voter ID. simple fix.

How can you see it of the system is designed to hide it. For example ballot harvesting is designed to allow anyone to collect votes and dump them into the system with any vetting.

It allows people to register with gym or credit cards. You can check their gym card but the gym card is the problem. The allowance of people registering to vote with gym cards.

We also see red flags where there are more votes floating around in the system than there are people in the State or city. Some cities and States never remove dead, or relocated voters. States like California have only had a fraction of a % of people removed from the rolls. Compared to 1,000s in other States.

I am talking about DEm states and cities right now. With massive descrepencies in their voter roles where 1,000s of illegal votes are still flaoting in the system.

Evidence with 100s of thousands of ghost voters, voter rolls not updated with 100.s of 1,000's of dead voters, out of state voters and illegal voters still on rolls. We know that because California only declared in certain counties that either no one or a very tiny % (0.4%) were taken off the rolls. Compared to all other States who have had 100.s of 1,000's taken off the rolls.

Put simply California has more votes floating out in the system than they have voters.

It is in the nature of politicians to cheat. Surveys show that people don't trust politicians to do the right thing. They rate even worse than used car salesman lol.

Six Things to Know About the SAVE America Act

Updated July 2026 - The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE America) Act requires voters to provide documentary proof of citizenship at the time of registration and a photo ID at the time of voting.

bipartisanpolicy.org

My state has voter ID laws. My mother-in-law, who has passed away but was a regular voter, did not have a photo ID, but voted legally for 60 years.

The save America would have forced her to obtain a photo ID. Being set in her ways and to have been a legal voter for 60 years, she would not go get a photo ID, as many older citizens wouldn't either. This is called disenfranchisement.

stevevw · Thursday at 8:26 PM

Yarddog said:
Incorrect. Obviously you don't know the voting systems. Voter ID is just another layer of checks and balances. Voter ID would not have stopped most of the issues because the non-citizens were issued ID's by the DMV when they were mistakenly added to the voter rolls.

Obviously for voting purposes voter ID would be validated by a birth certificate and some sort of verification of citizenship if born outside the US. Part of the problem is in allowing voter ID by other means that don't require proof of birth and citizenship.

Yarddog said:
Voter ID doesn't stop the problem but stops more legal voters who don't have ID's than non-citizens, who do.

Then as part of the process support needs to be given to those who find it hard to get proper ID. Most minorities including blacks are offended that they are incapable of getting proper ID.

The vast majority of people support voter ID. Its probably less complicated then the current system that causes complications in creating multi tiered elegibility and open to abuse. Whereas a unified ID system that identifies and qualifies citizens by birth and nationalisation would cut all that out.

stevevw · Thursday at 8:41 PM

Yarddog said:
Six Things to Know About the SAVE America Act

Updated July 2026 - The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE America) Act requires voters to provide documentary proof of citizenship at the time of registration and a photo ID at the time of voting.

bipartisanpolicy.org

My state has voter ID laws. My mother-in-law, who has passed away but was a regular voter, did not have a photo ID, but voted legally for 60 years.

Yes and now I think with massive illegal border crossings the situation has changed and the need for tighter security has been created.

Yarddog said:
The save America would have forced her to obtain a photo ID. Being set in her ways and to have been a legal voter for 60 years, she would not go get a photo ID, as many older citizens wouldn't either. This is called disenfranchisement.

Then support would need to be made for such people. The amount of programs and support for the current system in accommodating all the complicated situations that differentiate from the norm would take as much if not more time and hassel to maintain.

Whereas support for helping those who find it harder to get photo ID would save time and simplify the system. Not to mention that exceptions should not dictate the entire system. That tends to weaken the system by lowering the standards.

Once ID is obtained then its done and will not have to be completely redone but updated. This may be a matter of a photo every 5 or 10 years. Its no different for most people wanting to purchase alcohol, fly interstate or internationally, get welfare, or a bank account.

I am also an older person who is disabled and I know us older people find the whole tech thing daunting. But it is simple when you know how and saves a lot of time and hassel. We have to change with the times and there are good reasons why we need tighter security today.

In fact in your grandma's time there was no mail in votes and it was a priviledge to vote and it was very hard to register because you had to show birth cert and other documents. Even to open a bank account. But people accepted this as they understand the importance.

I worry about the rising ideas that borders and border security equals oppressing people. That anyone should be able to walk into a nation and have voting rights. Or welfare rights. This seems the popular idea at the moment and therefore is a good reason that nations should be paying extra attention to ensuring nothing illegal is going on. Election intregity needs to be restored not undermined.

Yarddog · Friday at 11:01 AM

stevevw said:
Obviously for voting purposes voter ID would be validated by a birth certificate and some sort of verification of citizenship if born outside the US. Part of the problem is in allowing voter ID by other means that don't require proof of birth and citizenship.

Proof of citizen is already required when a person registers to vote. The problems arose when the DMV added them to voter rolls when they applied for a Drivers license, even though they said they were not citizens.

stevevw said:
Then as part of the process support needs to be given to those who find it hard to get proper ID.

Agreed and that is what Democrats want in the Save AMERICA ACT.

stevevw said:
Most minorities including blacks are offended that they are incapable ofProof getting proper ID.

What makes you say that? It doesn't match anyone that I know.

stevevw said:
The vast majority of people support voter ID.

Yes.

stevevw said:
Its probably less complicated then the current system that causes complications in creating multi tiered elegibility and open to abuse.

What multi-tiered eligibility? You have to be a citizen to vote in most states. You prove it when you register to vote but many states don't require a photo I'D when you vote.

Only a few states allow non-citizens to vote in some local elections, like the School Board.

Non-citizens voting isn't a problem in the US.

Election interference is.

stevevw said:
Whereas a unified ID system that identifies and qualifies citizens by birth and nationalisation would cut all that out.

The US Constitution leaves elections in the hands of the states. The citizens of each state vote on how that is done. It isn't anyone else's business how they do it as long as they are secure, which multiple investigations have proven them secure.

Yarddog · Friday at 11:06 AM

stevevw said:
It is already secure and illegal immigrants don't vote.

DHS: More Than 250,000 Noncitizens Are Registered To Vote In Four States

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