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Losing Christian friends over politics

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I am currently trying to warn people about these Communists posing as Democratic Socialists. I recently got unfriended by a former friend from Bible Study. I used to be in a bible study with democrat Christians, and it didn't bother me because we never had a problem. Then Trump came along, and they all hated him, so they had the "I'm writing you off if you voted for Trump attitude. I didn't tell them I voted for him. But online, I was posting political views. I got unfriended by some of them, and others started being cooler to me. During the past five years or so, none of them has talked to me anymore. I accept that they are gone, but from their point of view, I must be the false Christian. I do not consider them fake Christians; I actually hold no ill will towards them at all. But is is something how some of them could stay with me through some crazy stuff and then dump me over Trump.
 

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It's unfortunate that we have reached a point, where some people can't disagree and still be friends. I have a few friends who absolutely detest Trump, there is no middle ground or ability to have a discussion with them. The only thing I can suggest is to avoid talking politics with certain friends. The discussions almost never change minds (Look at the political discussions on this site.) and only lead to arguments. I try to focus on what we have in common and put politics on the back burner.
 

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I am increasingly convinced that social media platforms are terrible places for political discussion between friends. These platforms can be okay places for sparring matches with strangers, if you're into that. But productive conversations with friends are harder. I recommend either

1) Don't talk about politics with your friends at all, for now. Or,

2) If you want to talk politics with your friends, enter into it carefully and with some ground rules. Everybody leaves their weapons at the door; no one calls anybody a Communist or a Fascist. If both of you are genuinely interested in understanding the other point of view, you might be able to explain why you support someone like Trump, and they might be able to explain why they support someone like Mamdani -- in each case, trying to understand the vision that the other person has for improving the country. Even if you disagree, perhaps you can see each other as human beings.

If #2 is too hard, go with option #1.
 

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I am currently trying to warn people about these Communists posing as Democratic Socialists. I recently got unfriended by a former friend from Bible Study. I used to be in a bible study with democrat Christians, and it didn't bother me because we never had a problem. Then Trump came along, and they all hated him, so they had the "I'm writing you off if you voted for Trump attitude. I didn't tell them I voted for him. But online, I was posting political views. I got unfriended by some of them, and others started being cooler to me. During the past five years or so, none of them has talked to me anymore. I accept that they are gone, but from their point of view, I must be the false Christian. I do not consider them fake Christians; I actually hold no ill will towards them at all. But is is something how some of them could stay with me through some crazy stuff and then dump me over Trump.
What does Trump or Communisim have anything to do with Jesus Christ of Nazareth? Consider reliquishing your political ties and focus on Him.

Be blessed.
 
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I am currently trying to warn people about these Communists posing as Democratic Socialists. I recently got unfriended by a former friend from Bible Study. I used to be in a bible study with democrat Christians, and it didn't bother me because we never had a problem. Then Trump came along, and they all hated him, so they had the "I'm writing you off if you voted for Trump attitude. I didn't tell them I voted for him. But online, I was posting political views. I got unfriended by some of them, and others started being cooler to me. During the past five years or so, none of them has talked to me anymore. I accept that they are gone, but from their point of view, I must be the false Christian. I do not consider them fake Christians; I actually hold no ill will towards them at all. But is is something how some of them could stay with me through some crazy stuff and then dump me over Trump.
I have several right wing friends and family. We don't take it seriously though. It's like friends pulling for two different sports teams. We laugh at each other and sent jokes.
 
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It's unfortunate that we have reached a point, where some people can't disagree and still be friends. I have a few friends who absolutely detest Trump, there is no middle ground or ability to have a discussion with them. The only thing I can suggest is to avoid talking politics with certain friends. The discussions almost never change minds (Look at the political discussions on this site.) and only lead to arguments. I try to focus on what we have in common and put politics on the back burner.
There was a time when politics (and religion, for that matter) was considered impolite dinner conversation. Now, unfortunately, open hostility seems to be the norm. It's very common among the left especially for them to cut off all contact to friends or family that don't share their political preferences.
 

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I have unfollowed folks who are heavy political posters on social media without regret. It is a divided time in our country, and I prefer not to exist in that state of ugliness. I don't watch the news anymore either.
 
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Bluntly, it doesn't sound like a Biblically solid church if they react that way due to a worldly issue such as politics.

Christians view each other as family- Romans 8:16–17 Matthew 12:50
 
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Bluntly, it doesn't sound like a Biblically solid church if they react that way due to a worldly issue such as politics.

Christians view each other as family- Romans 8:16–17 Matthew 12:50

I am not taking sides with either political party, but isn’t our behavior in the world part of what separates one believer from another? If someone from your church spent every night at a brothel, would you continue spending time with him? If someone from your church went to bars every night and got drunk, would you not distance yourself from that person? Worldly behavior is often what separates one church member from another.
 

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I am not taking sides with either political party, but isn’t our behavior in the world part of what separates one believer from another? If someone from your church spent every night at a brothel, would you continue spending time with him? If someone from your church went to bars every night and got drunk, would you not distance yourself from that person? Worldly behavior is often what separates one church member from another.
*sigh* that's different than politics.
 
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Bluntly, it doesn't sound like a Biblically solid church if they react that way due to a worldly issue such as politics.
I believe the scriptures teach that, despite prevailing opinion in the evangelical church, politics is very much a concern for the Christian.

I suggest that informed knowledge of first century Judaism would lead to the conclusion that the kingdom of God that Jesus announces is in fact a "this worldly" kingdom.

So politics is very much a concern for the obedient Christian.

By the way, I am well aware of that famous verse about "my kingdom not being of this world". I suggest careful exegesis shows that there has been a significant translation error. Jesus is not saying his kingdom is not of this world, he is saying his kingdom does not originate from this world. Important difference. I can provide more details.
 
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On the matter of Trump: while I am all in favor of trying to find common ground with fellow believers, Trump is a bridge too far. I think too much moral compromise is involved in breaking bread with a committed Trump supporter. You know, the old darkness versus light thing.
 
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*sigh* that's different than politics.
How so? I'm of the mind but Donald Trump is a profoundly morally compromised person. As much as I want to be open-hearted, I do not see how one can fellowship with those who support such a person.
 
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*sigh* that's different than politics.

Not necessarily. If a political party’s policy conflicts with a biblical view, and someone accepts that policy, would you consider that person to be aligned with biblical principles?
 
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How so? I'm of the mind but Donald Trump is a profoundly morally compromised person. As much as I want to be open-hearted, I do not see how one can fellowship with those who support such a person.
I'm of the mind that the vast majority of Democratic Party politicians are profoundly morally compromised people.
 
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How so? I'm of the mind but Donald Trump is a profoundly morally compromised person. As much as I want to be open-hearted, I do not see how one can fellowship with those who support such a person.

There are few, if any, prominent political figures today who can credibly be regarded as moral leaders, particularly from a Christian perspective. Reflecting on my lifetime, Jimmy Carter is the only politician I hold in that level of personal regard. While I disagree with many of his political positions, I have not encountered another political figure who demonstrates a comparable level of personal character and integrity.

For this reason, focusing criticism solely on President Trump is of limited value. Although his character flaws may be more apparent or more pronounced than those of others, condemning his moral shortcomings while presenting other politicians as morally superior may appear inconsistent or politically biased.
 
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What does Trump or Communisim have anything to do with Jesus Christ of Nazareth? Consider reliquishing your political ties and focus on Him.

Be blessed.
As believers we see the whole world through religious eyes. Our interpretation of the world and politics takes on the energy of that religious valence, and we cannot seem to respect eyes that see differently than our own. We do not know how to listen.
 
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*sigh* that's different than politics.
As has been seen, not in some people's minds. To some people, if you have a different political opinion from them, then you are morally bankrupt, because your position is plainly wrong and indefensible. People's personalities tend to play a large part on which side of the political aisle you land on, conservative or liberal, left or right, and IMO it is wrong to condemn someone for the political philosophy that they prefer.
 
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As has been seen, not in some people's minds. To some people, if you have a different political opinion from them, then you are morally bankrupt, because your position is plainly wrong and indefensible. People's personalities tend to play a large part on which side of the political aisle you land on, conservative or liberal, left or right, and IMO it is wrong to condemn someone for the political philosophy that they prefer.
The political philosophy often is a manifestation of their spirituality.
 
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