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WATER BAPTISM DOESN'T WASH AWAY OUR SINS

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[Acts 22:16 NIV] "And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'" ********** Water baptism doesn't wash away our sins. I heard someone on tv say it does. Water baptism washed away Israel's sins under their covenant. ******** [Isaiah 1:16 KJV] "Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;"
 

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[Acts 22:16 NIV] "And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'" ********** Water baptism doesn't wash away our sins. I heard someone on tv say it does. Water baptism washed away Israel's sins under their covenant. ******** [Isaiah 1:16 KJV] "Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;"
And there are. some that. SAUL //PAUL. WAS WATER BAPTIZED and he was not water baptized as ACTS 9:17. Ananias have

have been. sent so. that you might recover sight. and might be full. of HOLY SPIRIT.

And. immediately. scales. as it were recover sight instantly, and having stood up he was BAPTIZED. !!

Paul was baptized by what verse 17. says , TO BE FULL OF HOLY. SPIRIT AND B THERE WAS NOT any water //. HYDOR

THERE AT ALL. !!

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And there are. some that. SAUL //PAUL. WAS WATER BAPTIZED and he was not water baptized as ACTS 9:17. Ananias have

have been. sent so. that you might recover sight. and might be full. of HOLY SPIRIT.

And. immediately. scales. as it were recover sight instantly, and having stood up he was BAPTIZED. !!

Paul was baptized by what verse 17. says , TO BE FULL OF HOLY. SPIRIT AND B THERE WAS NOT any water //. HYDOR

THERE AT ALL. !!

DAN P
(Act 9:17) And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
(Act 9:18) Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.

Why does the word for water need to be there? Ananias couldn't baptise anyone with the Holy Spirit - that is God's work. Here is another instance where no word for water is used:

(1Co 1:14) I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
(1Co 1:15) lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.
(1Co 1:16) Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other.

Was Paul saying that He had baptised Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanus, in the Holy Spirit?
 
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(Act 9:17) And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
(Act 9:18) Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.

Why does the word for water need to be there? Ananias couldn't baptise anyone with the Holy Spirit - that is God's work. Here is another instance where no word for water is used:

(1Co 1:14) I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
(1Co 1:15) lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.
(1Co 1:16) Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other.

Was Paul saying that He had baptised Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanus, in the Holy Spirit?
AND we can add words. so. as make a better verse ??

And from what 1 COR 1 :15 LEST is. the Greek word ME and anyone can use BLUE LETTER BIBLE to check any verse

you caer to see and check ABOUT 20 DIFFENENT TRANSLATIONS any time you want !!

The Greek word for LEST IS ME in. the Greek. and is just one of four with OU , me , un -mi.

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AND we can add words. so. as make a better verse ??

And from what 1 COR 1 :15 LEST is. the Greek word ME and anyone can use BLUE LETTER BIBLE to check any verse

you caer to see and check ABOUT 20 DIFFENENT TRANSLATIONS any time you want !!

The Greek word for LEST IS ME in. the Greek. and is just one of four with OU , me , un -mi.

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And. in MARK 16:16 says this , He who believes and is BAPTIZED (. No WATER. //HYDOR ). will. be saved BUT he that does

NOT. believe will be COMDEMNED .

I. say that this BAPTISM. is BAPTISM WITH HOLY HOLY. !!

AND in. verse 17 will cast out. out DEMONS. , they. will speak with NEW TONGUES. and they will take up SERPENTS

and if they drink ANYTHINK. DEADLY. it. will by no means. hurt them , thy. will lay. hands on. the sick and they will recover. !!

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And there are. some that. SAUL //PAUL. WAS WATER BAPTIZED and he was not water baptized as ACTS 9:17. Ananias have

have been. sent so. that you might recover sight. and might be full. of HOLY SPIRIT.

And. immediately. scales. as it were recover sight instantly, and having stood up he was BAPTIZED. !!

Paul was baptized by what verse 17. says , TO BE FULL OF HOLY. SPIRIT AND B THERE WAS NOT any water //. HYDOR

THERE AT ALL. !!

dan p
In Acts 8, Philip preached the Gospel to the Ethiopian eunuch, which would have included, "believe and be baptised". If baptism meant "with the Holy Spirit", why would the eunuch say, "here is water. What is stopping me from being baptised?" unless it was understood that baptism involved being immersed in water. And if it did mean "the Holy Spirit", why did Philip not correct him, seeing as he himself was being guided by the Holy Spirit? Instead, he baptises the eunuch in water, because that is what the Scriptures mean regarding "baptism" unless it specifically states otherwise.
 
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In Acts 8, Philip preached the Gospel to the Ethiopian eunuch, which would have included, "believe and be baptised". If baptism meant "with the Holy Spirit", why would the eunuch say, "here is water. What is stopping me from being baptised?" unless it was understood that baptism involved being immersed in water. And if it did mean "the Holy Spirit", why did Philip not correct him, seeing as he himself was being guided by the Holy Spirit? Instead, he baptises the eunuch in water, because that is what the Scriptures mean regarding "baptism" unless is specifically states otherwise.
And in Acts 1:5 we will see that WATER BAPTISM. still in being used and has NOTING to do with the

BODY OF CHRIST as Paul was not yet SAVED !!

And by the end of ACTS 28 Israel has been set ASIDE and ISA 6:1-18. !!

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In Acts 8, Philip preached the Gospel to the Ethiopian eunuch, which would have included, "believe and be baptised". If baptism meant "with the Holy Spirit", why would the eunuch say, "here is water. What is stopping me from being baptised?" unless it was understood that baptism involved being immersed in water. And if it did mean "the Holy Spirit", why did Philip not correct him, seeing as he himself was being guided by the Holy Spirit? Instead, he baptises the eunuch in water, because that is what the Scriptures mean regarding "baptism" unless is specifically states otherwise.
And all of ACTS is NOT about. the BODY OF CHRIST as Paul was saved to preach. about the BODY OF CHRIST

in. COL 1:25. of which I become a servant according to the DISPENSATION of God the one having been given

to me for you TO COMPLETE the WORD of God , as Paul wrote 13 spites and HEBREW !!

The MYSTERY the one having been kept SECRET from. the AGES and from generations , BUT NOW. was made Manifest.

to. the SAINTS !!

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And in Acts 1:5 we will see that WATER BAPTISM. still in being used
John had been beheaded. He was not STILL baptising people.
and has NOTING to do with the BODY OF CHRIST as Paul was not yet SAVED !!
I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but it doesn't answer my question.
And by the end of ACTS 28 Israel has been set ASIDE and ISA 6:1-18. !!
Still has nothing to do with what I asked you.
 
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And all of ACTS is NOT about. the BODY OF CHRIST as Paul was saved to preach. about the BODY OF CHRIST

in. COL 1:25. of which I become a servant according to the DISPENSATION of God the one having been given

to me for you TO COMPLETE the WORD of God , as Paul wrote 13 spites and HEBREW !!

The MYSTERY the one having been kept SECRET from. the AGES and from generations , BUT NOW. was made Manifest.

to. the SAINTS !!

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You still haven't answered my question.
 
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John had been beheaded. He was not STILL baptising people.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but it doesn't answer my question.

Still has nothing to do with what I asked you.
And John. the BAPTIST BEHEAD. around 28-29n AD. and PAULINE 14 EPISTLES are written to those SAVED by GRACE. 1 COL 1:25 -26 !!

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And John. the BAPTIST BEHEAD. around 28-29n AD. and PAULINE 14 EPISTLES are written to those SAVED by GRACE. 1 COL 1:25 -26 !!

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You seem determined not to answer my question.
 
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And what verse DO YOU WANT TO. BE EXPLAINED ??

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From post #6 above
In Acts 8, Philip preached the Gospel to the Ethiopian eunuch, which would have included, "believe and be baptised". If baptism meant "with the Holy Spirit", why would the eunuch say, "here is water. What is stopping me from being baptised?" unless it was understood that baptism involved being immersed in water. And if it did mean "the Holy Spirit", why did Philip not correct him, seeing as he himself was being guided by the Holy Spirit? Instead, he baptises the eunuch in water, because that is what the Scriptures mean regarding "baptism" unless it specifically states otherwise.
 
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In Acts 8, Philip preached the Gospel to the Ethiopian eunuch, which would have included, "believe and be baptised". If baptism meant "with the Holy Spirit", why would the eunuch say, "here is water. What is stopping me from being baptised?" unless it was understood that baptism involved being immersed in water. And if it did mean "the Holy Spirit", why did Philip not correct him, seeing as he himself was being guided by the Holy Spirit? Instead, he baptises the eunuch in water, because that is what the Scriptures mean regarding "baptism" unless it specifically states otherwise.
And this from ACTS 1:5. !!

# 1 FOR //. is a CONJUNCTION

# 2. JOHN. //. IOANNES is a CONJUNATION

# 3 TRULY //. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR.

# 4. BAPTIZED //. BAPTIZO. in. the AORIST TENSE. and means no longer BAPTIZING and he was KILLED

#5. WITH WATER // HYDOR is the GREEK WORD FOR WATER

# 6. BUT //. DE. is a CONJUCTION

#7. YE. //. HYMEIS. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUNin. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL

# 8. SHALL BE BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO. in. the FUTURE TENSE in. the PLURAL

# 9 WITH // EN. is a PREPOSTION

# 10. THE HOLY // HAGIOS. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER , meaning Male and Female

# 11. SPIRIT. //. PNEUMA. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the PLURAL

#12 NOT // OU is a NEGATIVE PARTICLE. NEGATIVE , and means NOTTTT. many DAYS which. was PENTECOST

#13. MANY //. POLYS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the PLUJRAL

# 14 DAYS //. HEME. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the PLUAL

#15 HENCE // META. is a PREPOSITIKOLN

#A Ad when looking at the CONTEXT. is in. Acts 2:36. is ISRFAEL

#B. And Paul was NOT yet SAVED . and that in. ACTS 9:5

#C And Paul. after Acts 9:5 b becomes the APOSTLE to then GENTILES in. Rom 11:13 !!

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And this from ACTS 1:5. !!

# 1 FOR //. is a CONJUNCTION

# 2. JOHN. //. IOANNES is a CONJUNATION

# 3 TRULY //. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR.

# 4. BAPTIZED //. BAPTIZO. in. the AORIST TENSE. and means no longer BAPTIZING and he was KILLED

#5. WITH WATER // HYDOR is the GREEK WORD FOR WATER

# 6. BUT //. DE. is a CONJUCTION

#7. YE. //. HYMEIS. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUNin. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL

# 8. SHALL BE BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO. in. the FUTURE TENSE in. the PLURAL

# 9 WITH // EN. is a PREPOSTION

# 10. THE HOLY // HAGIOS. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER , meaning Male and Female

# 11. SPIRIT. //. PNEUMA. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the PLURAL

#12 NOT // OU is a NEGATIVE PARTICLE. NEGATIVE , and means NOTTTT. many DAYS which. was PENTECOST

#13. MANY //. POLYS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the PLUJRAL

# 14 DAYS //. HEME. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the PLUAL

#15 HENCE // META. is a PREPOSITIKOLN

#A Ad when looking at the CONTEXT. is in. Acts 2:36. is ISRFAEL

#B. And Paul was NOT yet SAVED . and that in. ACTS 9:5

#C And Paul. after Acts 9:5 b becomes the APOSTLE to then GENTILES in. Rom 11:13 !!

dan p
:rolleyes: :doh:
Still doesn't answer my question. I honestly don't understand why you keep posting the same thing. Are you confusing Philip with Paul?
Why did Philip baptize the eunuch in water, which is ultimately what the Holy Spirit led him to do.
 
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:rolleyes: :doh:
Still doesn't answer my question. I honestly don't understand why you keep posting the same thing. Are you confusing Philip with Paul?
Why did Philip baptize the eunuch in water, which is ultimately what the Holy Spirit led him to do.
BECAUSE all. of Israel. did not know all about Acts 1:5 and most of those who love water BAPTISM. just love

WATER BAP[TISM. even if the word WATER //. HYDOR is NOT in. that verse ??

And have one for you. in. Mark 16:16 says He that BELIEVETH and is BAPTIZED (. NO WATER // HYDOR ). shall be Saved

BUT he that BELIEVETH not shall DAMNNETH. !!

WHAT. say you ??

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And this from ACTS 1:5. !!

# 1 FOR //. is a CONJUNCTION

# 2. JOHN. //. IOANNES is a CONJUNATION

# 3 TRULY //. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR.

# 4. BAPTIZED //. BAPTIZO. in. the AORIST TENSE. and means no longer BAPTIZING and he was KILLED

#5. WITH WATER // HYDOR is the GREEK WORD FOR WATER

# 6. BUT //. DE. is a CONJUCTION

#7. YE. //. HYMEIS. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUNin. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL

# 8. SHALL BE BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO. in. the FUTURE TENSE in. the PLURAL

# 9 WITH // EN. is a PREPOSTION

# 10. THE HOLY // HAGIOS. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER , meaning Male and Female

# 11. SPIRIT. //. PNEUMA. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the PLURAL

#12 NOT // OU is a NEGATIVE PARTICLE. NEGATIVE , and means NOTTTT. many DAYS which. was PENTECOST

#13. MANY //. POLYS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the PLUJRAL

# 14 DAYS //. HEME. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the PLUAL

#15 HENCE // META. is a PREPOSITIKOLN

#A Ad when looking at the CONTEXT. is in. Acts 2:36. is ISRFAEL

#B. And Paul was NOT yet SAVED . and that in. ACTS 9:5

#C And Paul. after Acts 9:5 b becomes the APOSTLE to then GENTILES in. Rom 11:13 !!

dan p
But quoting other parts of Acts doesn't answer Prodromos's question about Philip and the Ethiopian in Acts 8. It reminds me of how you replied to my question about Paul baptising Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanas. You talked of Gaius being a travelling companion of Paul, and didn't mention his baptism.
 
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