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Big Lie or Big Rig?

Who won the 2020 U.S. Presidenial election.

  • I am not sure.

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • The 2020 election was rigged and Trump should have actually won.

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • The 2020 election was not rigged and Biden was the rightful winner.

    Votes: 8 66.7%

  • Total voters
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I think there should be a fourth choice. "Republicans attempted to rig the 2020 election, but despite their efforts, Biden won."

After all, there's the Raffensburger conversation and the hunt for 12,000 votes along with other suspicious situations.
 
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Is anyone paying attention to Trump’s prime time appeal?
I just read it. A rehash of his own election loss. What we want to hear from the GOP are what they have for U.S. health care, inflation, social security and the deficits. I give them a pass on the war though an end game and firm objectives would be nice. I fear more division in the USA and the promotion of a lack of trust in the foundation of U.S. democracy - voting.

One thing great about Nixon, was that after his loss to Kennedy he had no sour grapes even though there was evidence that there were some serious irregularities in that election. Gore, stepped things up a notch and Trump rocketed it from there. Sure we would all prefer perfect elections, but neither party wants that, they prefer preferences that enhance their own party's outcomes. I think God sees through it all, and gives the leadership and outcomes that America deserves.

Usually when you hire someone you want experience in government. We also need the attitude that you put the national interest first, not yourself, not your class, not even your own religion if it infringes on the rights of others. I do pray we can have that. Is America first, the same as "national interests." No it is not. National interests often give to other nations to help. To promote democracy, trade, human rights and good alliances. National interests do sometimes require war though and tough love but rarely disrespect or incivility.
 
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I just read it. A rehash of his own election loss. What we want to hear from the GOP are what they have for U.S. health care, inflation, social security and the deficits. I give them a pass on the war though an end game and firm objectives would be nice. I fear more division in the USA and the promotion of a lack of trust in the foundation of U.S. democracy - voting.

One thing great about Nixon, was that after his loss to Kennedy he had no sour grapes even though there was evidence that there were some serious irregularities in that election. Gore, stepped things up a notch and Trump rocketed it from there. Sure we would all prefer perfect elections, but neither party wants that, they prefer preferences that enhance their own party's outcomes. I think God sees through it all, and gives the leadership and outcomes that America deserves.

Usually when you hire someone you want experience in government. We also need the attitude that you put the national interest first, not yourself, not your class, not even your own religion if it infringes on the rights of others. I do pray we can have that. Is America first, the same as "national interests." No it is not. National interests often give to other nations to help. To promote democracy, trade, human rights and good alliances. National interests do sometimes require war though and tough love but rarely disrespect or incivility.
It has always been a rocky road but there were periods of hope whether one wants to hail the likes of Reagan or Obama.

David Brooks addresses the Catholic Health Assembly:

"Depression and suicide rates are up, 36% of Americans report feeling lonely much of the time and 45% of high school students report feeling hopeless and despondent a lot of the time, Brooks said.

"So we’ve become sadder, and when you become sadder, you become meaner, because you perceive your sadness as a threat to your existence, and you lash out," he said.


We seem to be on a downward trajectory.

"Brooks said that in any group of people, there are two basic types: diminishers and illuminators. "Diminishers make people feel small and unseen, they stereotype and they label, they’re not curious about you, they never ask you a question," he said. "Illuminators, on the other hand, beam their attention upon you."
 
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The declassified documents made available on the White House website are old documents from the FBI, the CIA, and DHS.
President Trump wasn't just rehashing stuff.
 
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I have to say that this Clinton response at least speaks to me on this issue. It is factual too.
Are you sure that is real? What was the context?
 
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Two things seem certain. 1: It was an unusual vote count process. 2: Biden got more votes than anyone has before or since. It's like several extra million people happened to vote in that particular election.
 

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With the interview with Todd Blanche we see the election n 2020 is still a debatable issue.
It's not debatable, it's just Trump officials refuse to acknowledge the facts because they are scared to anger Trump.
 
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The declassified documents made available on the White House website are old documents from the FBI, the CIA, and DHS.
President Trump wasn't just rehashing stuff.
The documents showed Biden won, despite Russian interference.
 
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Two things seem certain. 1: It was an unusual vote count process. 2: Biden got more votes than anyone has before or since. It's like several extra million people happened to vote in that particular election.
I fully agree.
 
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Two things seem certain. 1: It was an unusual vote count process. 2: Biden got more votes than anyone has before or since. It's like several extra million people happened to vote in that particular election.
Are you surprised that many registered voters don't vote?
 
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Are you sure that is real? What was the context?
You are right, AI says it is not real but AI generated. Thanks for the correction. I will reflect that in the post. I will be more careful in the future. Sure sounds like him so AI has that part down.
 
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I think Biden won, but I wouldn't doubt that there was some cheating going on. There were some bad optics, like the poll workers blocking out the windows with cardboard so no one could see in. The hate for Trump was/is so strong among certain people that it wouldn't surprise me at all if some people acting on their own "accidentally" saw to it that some Trump votes disappeared. But whatever. Trump should have conceded like Al Gore did, once all his lawsuits failed.

I also think Trump's basic strategy was wrong. He clearly intended to wait until the election, and start lawsuits if he lost. What he should have done is fought the (CoVid) election changes that were favorable to the Democrats when they happened, not after the election. Courts were not going to overturn an election, he should have known that. As far as I'm concerned, by the time the election happened, both parties were obligated to accept the results under the conditions they were held, even if they were far from ideal.