Commitment to Truth and Character

Akita Suggagaki · Saturday at 12:42 PM

It is up to each of us. We have to respect and seek the truth even when it does not support our worldview, beliefs, and biases. Do we have the character to such a commitment?

I don’t think so. It saddens me to say that truth and character are no longer priorities.

CIA Agent #1029 · Saturday at 1:29 PM

The truth is that doing good deeds makes good things happen, and doing bad deeds makes bad things happen. To you and everyone else. But people just don't believe it, and it disappoints me.

Akita Suggagaki · Saturday at 3:45 PM

CIA Agent #1029 said:
The truth is that doing good deeds makes good things happen, and doing bad deeds makes bad things happen. To you and everyone else. But people just don't believe it, and it disappoints me.

Well I am certainly on the disappointment train. A lot of the time we can’t even discern the goodness or badness if the results.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 1:54 AM

Akita Suggagaki said:
It is up to each of us. We have to respect and seek the truth even when it does not support our worldview, beliefs, and biases. Do we have the character to such a commitment?

I don’t think so. It saddens me to say that truth and character are no longer priorities.

My suggestion is to not worry yourself about what everyone else is doing, as it's not everyone anyway, but just looks like it a lot of the time, as even a bad person does some good deeds usually in secret sometimes, but don't focus on any of that, but just focus on what you're doing, and the kind of person you want to be.

If you need for other people to be or do good in order for you to be or do good, then that's the wrong focus, so don't worry about any of that, ok. Just do good cause it's good, and you want to do it, etc. Seek out who is deserving, and discern those or that from where your efforts might be being wasted, and focus on that, ok.

Also wait for others to come across your path as you're going about your daily business that you might be good to also, and then do it if you see that they are deserving, ok. And do it just because it's good, and you want to do/be good (to someone else) and for no other reason, ok. (Not wanting to be paid back, or expecting a reward, etc) (Because that's also the wrong focus, etc, and will only show that you're not truly a good person yet, etc). Hope this helps.

[Later edit/additional information]

I say "if they are deserving", because some people are not, or are not yet, ok. But it sometimes takes a special discerning to discern this, etc. And also because I am/have limited resources/resource, and I hate waste, and also taking away from others who might be more deserving also, etc, and that's the reason I say that, etc. (I live in an area where need is everywhere constantly; you go outside and it's there, etc, and I've also lived that kind of life for a little while in my past also, and so now I do this, etc) (More discerning now, and all of that, etc) (But I always try to do good/be good to somebody else, or several somebody else's throughout my days, when and where I can, etc).

God Bless.

CIA Agent #1029 · Sunday at 2:46 AM

Akita Suggagaki said:
Well I am certainly on the disappointment train. A lot of the time we can’t even discern the goodness or badness if the results.

You just didn't discern it. It's a learnable skill.

Larniavc · Sunday at 2:57 AM

Akita Suggagaki said:
It is up to each of us. We have to respect and seek the truth even when it does not support our worldview, beliefs, and biases. Do we have the character to such a commitment?

I don’t think so. It saddens me to say that truth and character are no longer priorities.

That’s where the scientific method can really help. Its entire schtick is REJECTING the hypothesis in question.

Larniavc · Sunday at 3:00 AM

CIA Agent #1029 said:
The truth is that doing good deeds makes good things happen,

Trouble is ‘good’ is subjective. I’d prefer ‘that which is consistent with people’s well being and reduction in suffering’.

Still not perfect but that’s subjectivity for you.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 3:24 AM

Larniavc said:
Trouble is ‘good’ is subjective. I’d prefer ‘that which is consistent with people’s well being and reduction in suffering’.

Where you're truly "helping", or being of some "help" maybe?

(Just throwing that out there, or trying to help with definitions, etc).

(Special emphasis on the "truly", etc).

(Because that's where it can become subjective maybe, etc).

(Making a certain amount of discernment necessary, etc).

Take Care.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 4:38 AM

Neogaia777 said:
Where you're truly "helping", or being of some "help" maybe?

(Just throwing that out there, or trying to help with definitions, etc).

(Special emphasis on the "truly", etc).

(Because that's where it can become subjective maybe, etc).

(Making a certain amount of discernment necessary, etc).

Take Care.

Did I contribute to the collective good of all in some small way today by helping (truly helping) this person or that person today, etc. Did that (what I did, or the way I conducted myself with/around others today) contribute to the good of the whole in some small way today, etc?

Take Care/God Bless.

Larniavc · Sunday at 5:29 AM

Neogaia777 said:
Did I contribute to the collective good of all in some small way today by helping (truly helping) this person or that person today, etc. Did that (what I did, or the way I conducted myself with/around others today) contribute to the good of the whole in some small way today, etc?

Take Care/God Bless.

So when you say truly helping you imply something. Can you clarify what that might be?

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 5:58 AM

Larniavc said:
So when you say truly helping you imply something. Can you clarify what that might be?

It means that we probably have to have some way to know the difference probably. But I'm not really trying to imply anything, but was just trying to expound upon the definition of good for all of us here, etc. Yours is pretty good though, I think.

The only thing I'd really be trying to be implying, is that it's sometimes hard to know the difference between helping (or trying to help) and really helping sometimes, or a lot of the time sometimes, etc. Good isn't always obvious a lot of the time, etc. Good can also probably be described as always doing what's best 100% of the time, etc. How many of us always do that 100% perfectly all of the time, etc?

Take Care.

Larniavc · Sunday at 7:03 AM

Neogaia777 said:
but was just trying to expound upon the definition of good for all of us here, etc.

I don’t think there can be more than one definition of good.

Larniavc · Sunday at 7:04 AM

Neogaia777 said:
Good can also probably be described as always doing what's best 100% of the time, etc.

That’s not good that is perfect. Which is the enemy of good.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 7:06 AM

Larniavc said:
I don’t think there can be more than one definition of good.

Well, there's not really, it's just that we're limited in the areas of always knowing what's best 100% of the time.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 7:10 AM

Larniavc said:
That’s not good that is perfect. Which is the enemy of good.

Always best, always what's genuinely and truly of the best help 100% of the time, what does it matter? At this point I'm wondering if you're just trying to argue with me just because you want to argue about something at this point, whereas I'm just trying to talk/carry on a conversation or have a discussion?

Anyway, Take Care/Later.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 7:14 AM

Larniavc said:
That’s not good that is perfect. Which is the enemy of good.

That's like saying that always knowing what is good 100% of the time is the enemy of good, etc? You do realize that, right?

I'm really not wanting to argue about it though, but just want to talk/have a discussion, ok.

Take Care.

Maria Billingsley · Sunday at 8:45 AM

Akita Suggagaki said:
It is up to each of us. We have to respect and seek the truth even when it does not support our worldview, beliefs, and biases. Do we have the character to such a commitment?

I don’t think so. It saddens me to say that truth and character are no longer priorities.

Truth is seeked, character is built. I would say the closer one gets to truth the more refined their character becomes.

Blessings.

John 8:32
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Akita Suggagaki · Sunday at 9:06 AM

My concern is our collective status as community. I can do my best seeking truth and living a life with character but I, we are all part of a collective that provides the greater context. In that greater context there is no longer consensus on what is “good” and what is “bad”. That greater context sets the tide we swim against.

I am most concerned about our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. That present generation of adults has blown it. And the saddest part is we are also blowing it for them. It will take a lot of grace to turn things around for them.

Larniavc · Sunday at 9:48 AM

Neogaia777 said:
Always best, always what's genuinely and truly of the best help 100% of the time, what does it matter? At this point I'm wondering if you're just trying to argue with me just because you want to argue about something at this point, whereas I'm just trying to talk/carry on a conversation or have a discussion?

Anyway, Take Care/Later.

My point is that perfect does not exist. And the over concern oneself with perfection is self sabotaging.

Larniavc · Sunday at 9:49 AM

Neogaia777 said:
That's like saying that always knowing what is good 100% of the time is the enemy of good, etc?

But we cannot know what is 100% good. To strive for the unobtainable is folly.

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