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Since the definition of "resurrection" as - a rising from the death, to come back to life after having once died, to come back to life, to live again, etc. How do you explain the "rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were competed," is it the second "baptism' per your interpretation? (Rev 20:5)
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
G386 (Thayer Greek-English Lexicon)
ἀνάστασις anastasis
1) a raising up, rising (e.g. from a seat)
2) a rising from the dead
2a) that of Christ
2b) that of all men at the end of this present age
2c) the resurrection of certain ones history who were restored to life (Heb_11:35)
G386 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon)
ἀνάστασις anastasis ----- [Analytics] resurrection (41x) G0386 (42x) [Louw & Nida] 23.93 ζάωb; ἀναζάωa; ἀνίσταμαιd (and 2nd aorist active); ἀνάστασιςa, εως f; ἐξανάστασις, εως f; ἔγερσις, εως f: to come back to life after having once died — ‘to come back to life, to live again, to be resurrected, resurrection.’ ζάωb: Χριστὸς ἀπέθανεν καὶ ἔζησεν
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It is the lived experience of the Orthodox Church. Those who are joined to the body of Christ through baptism have already passed through death into life. It is evidenced by the many visitations and innumerable miracles of the departed Saints throughout the history of the Church.
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Do your response mean that Revelation 20:5's, "rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed," not a second baptism but a second resurrection?
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I'm not qualified to explain anything much of Revelation.
All those who die in Christ are still very much alive, since Christ defeated death through the taking of our flesh to the grave and raising it back to life. We are alive in Christ but we will not have our bodies raised until the last day.
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And it is literally what St. Paul says in the Bible (likewise, the miracles that happen to the Orthodox Church are the same ones that happened to the Apostles and I’ve seen at least two of those first hand, possibly three).
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This text seems pivotal to the discussion at hand, and like Revelation, it is from the Johannine texts.
And a number of verses speak of believers, through baptism, participating in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Does this match up with the context of Revelation?
It depends on how you interpret the element of those who were beheaded, who did not receive the mark. This seems to be a specific, limited group.
And it would also depend on when you see this mark being fulfilled.
@prodromos @The Liturgist do EO take this to be about Nero? Or some other fulfillment?
Obviously, for Adventists the mark is at the end of time. But they brush over that part of the text, because that would limit it to a specific group who were martyred and did not receive the mark. And they apply it to all the righteous.
John 5:24-30
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. (NKJV)
This does seem to indicate a reality at the time of crossing from death to life through belief, and a later reality of those in the grave being resurrected physically--both those going to life, and those to condemnation.And a number of verses speak of believers, through baptism, participating in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Does this match up with the context of Revelation?
Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (NKJV)
It depends on how you interpret the element of those who were beheaded, who did not receive the mark. This seems to be a specific, limited group.
And it would also depend on when you see this mark being fulfilled.
@prodromos @The Liturgist do EO take this to be about Nero? Or some other fulfillment?
Obviously, for Adventists the mark is at the end of time. But they brush over that part of the text, because that would limit it to a specific group who were martyred and did not receive the mark. And they apply it to all the righteous.
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Resurrection. The first resurrection is when we are united to Christ in baptism, being buried with Him and rising to new life. The second resurrection is on the last day.
The first resurrection recorded in Thessalonians 4:16, those who are dead in Christ made alive as stated, "the dead in Christ will rise first," do you interpret it as "baptism?"
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
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That would be the resurrection bodily at Jesus' coming.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 (NKJV)
That is describing the resurrection of the body at Jesus' coming, not baptism.
But baptism precedes it and is participating in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ:
Colossians 2:12-13
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses (NKJV)
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May we know when Lazarus was brought to life again in John 11:38-44, was it his first resurrection or his first baptism?
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Again, when Lazarus was brought to life again, as his first resurrection, was it his baptism?
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I agree. Lazarus is not here living on earth today, so we have no reason to think that after Jesus miraculously raised him from the dead, he did not eventually die.
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Yes, that proves that "first resurrection" does not mean baptism, as some weren't even believers, as baptism needs faith/believe. (Mark 16:16) See below list of those who "died and brought to life again," as first resurrection.
1. The widow's son, (1Kings 17:17-22)
2. The Shunammite's son, 2Kings 4:18-37)
3. The man in Elisha's tomb, (2Kings 13:20,21)
4. Jairus' daughter, (Mark 5:41)
5. The widow's son at Nain, (Luke 7:11-17)
6. The resurrected Saints, (Mat 27:50-53)
7. Tabitha (Dorcas), Acts 9:36-42)
8. Eutychus. Acts 20:7-12)
Mar 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
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You did agree that "the first resurrection is plainly our baptism in Christ," by Liturgist, you can review your Post#41.
I just thought you did follow the flow of the discussion, I did not misrepresent your claim, you did agree what Liturgist claim.
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