Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell

Bro.T · Jul 7, 2026

It's interesting that some people believe that Jesus died for our sins and that they only have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. Paul says in (Roman 10:13) But what about all the other things Jesus and the apostles preach about concerning salvation. Some people don't believe that they need to get baptize in the name of Jesus, even though Jesus says, "And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30).

Rejecting God's counsel will get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).

The Lake of Fire is not a fictional place. Some people believe that the Lake of Fire is located somewhere beneath the surface of the earth. Some also believe that if you happen to be placed in the Lake of Fire you will not burn forever. There are several things we must find out about the Lake of Fire. The first thing we must find out is why you will be placed in the Lake of Fire? Where it will be located? When will it be in existence? How can you burn forever and not be consumed? The scripture will answer all these question, as long as you don't lean on you own understanding and let the Bible speak for itself.

Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all! He was not a Temple priest. He was not a woman. He could not keep the laws intended only for priests and women. No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Except the priesthood laws and animal Sacrificial laws

Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. That least is the lake of fire.

NewLifeInChristJesus · Jul 7, 2026

Bro.T said:
It's interesting that some people believe that Jesus died for our sins and that they only have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved.

It is hard to fathom that a Christian would have an issue with the fact that Jesus died for our sins. Maybe you don't have an issue with it, but your wording seems to suggest the belief is in error in the same way that believing Jesus saves people from His wrath when the call on Him is in error. Certainly, it seems, the following two verses ar worthy of our support.

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures (1 Co 15:3), and
For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” (Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13).

But I find it difficult to merge either of them with the works based gospel below...

Bro.T said:
Paul says in (Roman 10:13) But what about all the other things Jesus and the apostles preach about concerning salvation. Some people don't believe that they need to get baptize in the name of Jesus, even though Jesus says, "And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30).

Rejecting God's counsel will get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).

The Lake of Fire is not a fictional place. Some people believe that the Lake of Fire is located somewhere beneath the surface of the earth. Some also believe that if you happen to be placed in the Lake of Fire you will not burn forever. There are several things we must find out about the Lake of Fire. The first thing we must find out is why you will be placed in the Lake of Fire? Where it will be located? When will it be in existence? How can you burn forever and not be consumed? The scripture will answer all these question, as long as you don't lean on you own understanding and let the Bible speak for itself.

Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all! He was not a Temple priest. He was not a woman. He could not keep the laws intended only for priests and women. No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Except the priesthood laws and animal Sacrificial laws

Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. That least is the lake of fire.

Bro.T · Jul 8, 2026

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
It is hard to fathom that a Christian would have an issue with the fact that Jesus died for our sins. Maybe you don't have an issue with it, but your wording seems to suggest the belief is in error in the same way that believing Jesus saves people from His wrath when the call on Him is in error. Certainly, it seems, the following two verses ar worthy of our support.

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures (1 Co 15:3), and

For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” (Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13).

But I find it difficult to merge either of them with the works based gospel below...

The Bible talks about more then just calling on the name of Jesus, sure we must do that. But
Jesus says in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Ted Cooper · Jul 8, 2026

Are you saying that we must keep Old Testament law like the Sabbath? Or are you just saying that we need to walk free from sin and thereby obey God?

Bro.T · Jul 9, 2026

Ted Cooper said:
Are you saying that we must keep Old Testament law like the Sabbath? Or are you just saying that we need to walk free from sin and thereby obey God?

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. Paul said in (1 Cor. 9:24-27) (v.24) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. (v.25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown: but we an incorruptible. Paul says that when you run in a race every body is running for a prize. But this prize that he is referring to is eternal life, that’s what he means by an incorruptible, he’s talking about an incorruptible body, a heavenly body. (v.26) I therefore so run, not as uncertainly, so fight, not as one that beateth the air: (v.27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

You see Paul knew exactly what was going on that why he says he has to bring his body under subjection. Under subjection to what? To God’s Law, Paul knew that if he didn’t continue to keep Gods law that even after he had preached to many that he himself could still become a castaway. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

Bro.T · Jul 10, 2026

In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.

Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. The soul that sinneth it shall die. What is the biblical definition of sin? I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now Paul says in Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. He is talking about the second death. What is the second death?

Bro.T · Jul 11, 2026

Remember, grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Let's go to Isaiah 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD. 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

These verses are beyond us, but not too far. Where is the Lord at this time? In his holy mountain Jerusalem. What will happen when all flesh come up to worship him? They will look upon the carcases of the men that transgressed against Him. Where is the Lake Of Fire?

In Jerusalem. Here is something else. Who are these men that are in the Lake Of Fire? Notice all flesh shall come to worship before the Lord. How can this be? We will find out later. Who are these men that are burning and worms eating on them.

Let's go to Revelation and find out. Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. These two are the men that all flesh looked upon when they came up to worship before the Lord. This happened before the great white throne judgment.

NewLifeInChristJesus · Jul 12, 2026

Bro.T said:
The Bible talks about more then just calling on the name of Jesus, sure we must do that. But
Jesus says in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

There is a theory called "The Gap Theory of Sin" (from New Life inChrist Jesus, Everything We Need for Life and Godliness):

The gap theory of sin is based on the premise that some sins are worse than others, and it intends to explain how we may differentiate between the saved and the lost based on the size of the “gap” between their actions and the requirements of the law.

The main element of differentiation is an assessment of the frequency (or repeat-rate) of identical sins. It judges there to be a difference between habitual sin that is “practiced” and occasional sin that is not. Though the line between the two is not (and cannot be) clearly defined, the gap theory of sin clears you if the gap between your actions and the requirements of the law is small and occasional (i.e., if you don’t sin much), but it condemns you if the gap is large and frequent (i.e., if you are a habitual sinner).

The gap theory of sin is a necessary tool for those who think rightness with God is based on obedience to the law. This is so because it is impossible to deny the fact that every Christian on the face of the planet still sins after he is saved. Therefore, people who use the law as a measuring stick to judge their relationship with God need to define missing the mark (i.e., sin) in a way that does not bring condemnation upon them. They think the gap theory of sin gives them the wiggle-room they need. But it doesn’t.

Bro.T · Jul 13, 2026

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
There is a theory called "The Gap Theory of Sin" (from New Life inChrist Jesus, Everything We Need for Life and Godliness):

The gap theory of sin is based on the premise that some sins are worse than others, and it intends to explain how we may differentiate between the saved and the lost based on the size of the “gap” between their actions and the requirements of the law.

The main element of differentiation is an assessment of the frequency (or repeat-rate) of identical sins. It judges there to be a difference between habitual sin that is “practiced” and occasional sin that is not. Though the line between the two is not (and cannot be) clearly defined, the gap theory of sin clears you if the gap between your actions and the requirements of the law is small and occasional (i.e., if you don’t sin much), but it condemns you if the gap is large and frequent (i.e., if you are a habitual sinner).

The gap theory of sin is a necessary tool for those who think rightness with God is based on obedience to the law. This is so because it is impossible to deny the fact that every Christian on the face of the planet still sins after he is saved. Therefore, people who use the law as a measuring stick to judge their relationship with God need to define missing the mark (i.e., sin) in a way that does not bring condemnation upon them. They think the gap theory of sin gives them the wiggle-room they need. But it doesn’t.

Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

Paul said in (1 Cor. 9:24-27) (v.24) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. (v.25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown: but we an incorruptible.
Paul says that when you run in a race every body is running for a prize. But this prize that he is referring to is eternal life, that’s what he means by an incorruptible, he’s talking about an incorruptible body, a heavenly body. (v.26) I therefore so run, not as uncertainly, so fight, not as one that beateth the air: (v.27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
You see Paul knew exactly what was going on that why he says he has to bring his body under subjection. Under subjection to what? To God’s Law, Paul knew that if he didn’t continue to keep Gods law that even after he had preached to many that he himself could still become a castaway. This doesn’t sound like Paul thinks that he has guarantee salvation.

This is Bible theory, didn't Paul say in 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Now James says 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So there's no big and little sin here, to repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood laws.

Bro.T · Jul 14, 2026

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. 4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Look at verse 5, the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. The ungodly will not stand in the congregation of the righteous. What does this mean?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Why doesn't the righteous stand in the congregation of the ungodly? Look at verse 4 again. Judgment was given unto them, that is why they don't stand in the congregation of sinners. These people were also in the first resurrection.

Bro.T · Jul 15, 2026

Let's go to some other places in the scriptures to find out who will reign with Christ.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. 15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. 17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Wait a minute; the Saints are going to take the kingdom by force. Well let's see.

Psalms 149:1 Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. 2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. 3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. 4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. 5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Yes they will take the kingdom by force along with the angels. Now we will take a slight turn using the scriptures only to define Hell. You have to be real definitive when you use the word hell. Hell could be your state of condition, the grave, the earth, and most important the Lake Of Fire.

First let's work with the earth. Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

In Jude, why didn't the angel keep there first estate?

II Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Look at Peter here. To be reserved unto judgment. Judgment day hasn't taken place as of yet. Where are the angels? “Chains of darkness” simply means you can not see them. Angels are powerful spirits; if we could see them we wouldn't have a chance at salvation.

I'm speaking of evil angels. We know that judgment day has not taken place, so where are these angels that were cast down to hell?

Hentenza · Jul 15, 2026

Bro.T said:
It's interesting that some people believe that Jesus died for our sins and that they only have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. Paul says in (Roman 10:13) But what about all the other things Jesus and the apostles preach about concerning salvation. Some people don't believe that they need to get baptize in the name of Jesus, even though Jesus says, "And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30).

Rejecting God's counsel will get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).

The Lake of Fire is not a fictional place. Some people believe that the Lake of Fire is located somewhere beneath the surface of the earth. Some also believe that if you happen to be placed in the Lake of Fire you will not burn forever. There are several things we must find out about the Lake of Fire. The first thing we must find out is why you will be placed in the Lake of Fire? Where it will be located? When will it be in existence? How can you burn forever and not be consumed? The scripture will answer all these question, as long as you don't lean on you own understanding and let the Bible speak for itself.

Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all! He was not a Temple priest. He was not a woman. He could not keep the laws intended only for priests and women. No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Except the priesthood laws and animal Sacrificial laws

Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. That least is the lake of fire.

I see you are still peddling your “the Christian is under the law” snake oil.

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
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But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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Are you led the Spirit, Bro.T? Paul gives you two choices, either you are led by the Spirit or are under the law. If you are under the law then you are not led by the Spirit. Which one is it?

Bro.T · Jul 16, 2026

Hentenza said:
I see you are still peddling your “the Christian is under the law” snake oil.

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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Are you led the Spirit, Bro.T? Paul gives you two choices, either you are led by the Spirit or are under the law. If you are under the law then you are not led by the Spirit. Which one is it?

Paul says in Romans 8: 4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So those that are against the law of God are carnal minded people, fleshly minded and cannot please God.

Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

Hentenza · Jul 16, 2026

Bro.T said:
Paul says in Romans 8: 4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Right after Paul says:

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,”
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Kind of kills your argument doesn’t it?

Bro.T said:
So those that are against the law of God are carnal minded people, fleshly minded and cannot please God.

Nope. Again:

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
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But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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Are you led by the Spirit Bro.T?

Bro.T said:
Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

“For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.”
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For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.

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Are you under grace Bro.T?

Bro.T · Saturday at 10:01 PM

Hentenza said:
Right after Paul says:

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Kind of kills your argument doesn’t it?

Not at all, just a lack knowledge, understanding and or belief on your part. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

Hentenza said:
Nope. Again:

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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Are you led by the Spirit Bro.T?

“For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.

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Are you under grace Bro.T?

Absolutely, but understand grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Again when you read about the law having a shadow of good things to come, and the law that was our school master to bring us unto Christ, it was not referring to God’s holy commandments but the animal sacrifice law. Also we have to understand that the levites are out of office so all those laws that were for the levites to do for the people are nail to the cross, alone with the animal Sacrificial laws. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

Hentenza · Sunday at 9:39 AM

Bro.T said:
Not at all, just a lack knowledge, understanding and or belief on your part. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Nonsense. When Paul, or anyone else in the NC, talk about the law they are referred by to the law of Moses including the 613 commandments.

“Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You sha

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So in your eisegesis when a person loves their neighbor they only fulfill the animal sacrifices and the priesthood laws? Is love only the fulfillment of the animal sacrifices and the priesthood laws? Oh, and is not to covet, steal, or any other commandment part of the animal sacrifice and priesthood laws?

Bro.T said:
Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Yep. And those verses are only referring to a part of the law regarding sacrifices that Jesus fulfilled on the cross.

“For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the form of those things itself, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually every year, make those who approach perfect.”
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For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the form of those things itself, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually every year, make those who ap

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The first verse of the chapter makes this clear. Jesus fulfilled the whole 613 commandments of the law and His sacrifice is a one and forever sacrifice for the sins of all. You need to learn about context

Bro.T said:
This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Again, you need to learn about context and what the terms of the NC are.

Bro.T said:
The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

The whole of the Old Testament is Christological and meant to show us that we need a savior. No one could keep the law perfectly back then and no one can now either. It took an incarnate Christ, without blemish, to keep them perfectly and the only sacrifice that could fulfill (complete) the law.

“For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

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No one can be justified by the works of the law. Do you know what justification means?

Bro.T said:
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments.

Correct. That included all of the 613 commandments of the Mosaic law including the Decalogue.

Bro.T said:
And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

The keeping of the Royal law not the Mosaic law. The Christian keeps Jesus two love commandments. The Christian is not under the letter of the law.

Bro.T said:
Absolutely, but understand grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

You started well and then appealed to your own effort at salvation. Why do you verse mine instead of reading the explanation and context of the verse? Let’s keep reading.

“You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him.

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All of us sin. John tells us what to do in 1 John 1. We, the believer, have an advocate that forgives our sins. The verse that you quoted refers to continual sin as verse 5 clearly explains. No one that has been generated continues to live in sin.

Secondly, without grace you can’t have faith. You trivialize God’s free gift. The person is saved by the grace of God through faith in the Son. No grace, no faith. You don’t understand the concept of Grace so you follow the letter of the law. Your answer to my question is incorrect.

Bro.T said:
Again when you read about the law having a shadow of good things to come, and the law that was our school master to bring us unto Christ, it was not referring to God’s holy commandments but the animal sacrifice law. Also we have to understand that the levites are out of office so all those laws that were for the levites to do for the people are nail to the cross, alone with the animal Sacrificial laws. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”

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The rich young ruler loved his money and possessions and could not keep Jesus two love commandments (v. 21). This is the reason why he walked away and refused to sell his possessions and give to the poor.

“Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.”

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Do you live by faith Bro.T?

Bro.T · Monday at 5:10 PM

Hentenza said:
Nonsense. When Paul, or anyone else in the NC, talk about the law they are referred by to the law of Moses including the 613 commandments.

“Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You sha

bible.com

So in your eisegesis when a person loves their neighbor they only fulfill the animal sacrifices and the priesthood laws? Is love only the fulfillment of the animal sacrifices and the priesthood laws? Oh, and is not to covet, steal, or any other commandment part of the animal sacrifice and priesthood laws?

Yep. And those verses are only referring to a part of the law regarding sacrifices that Jesus fulfilled on the cross.

“For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the form of those things itself, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually every year, make those who approach perfect.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 10:1 (NASB2020) - For the Law, since it has only a sh - Bible App

For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the form of those things itself, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually every year, make those who ap

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The first verse of the chapter makes this clear. Jesus fulfilled the whole 613 commandments of the law and His sacrifice is a one and forever sacrifice for the sins of all. You need to learn about context

Again, you need to learn about context and what the terms of the NC are.

The whole of the Old Testament is Christological and meant to show us that we need a savior. No one could keep the law perfectly back then and no one can now either. It took an incarnate Christ, without blemish, to keep them perfectly and the only sacrifice that could fulfill (complete) the law.

“For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 3:28 (NASB2020) - For we maintain that a person is ju - Bible App

For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

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No one can be justified by the works of the law. Do you know what justification means?

Correct. That included all of the 613 commandments of the Mosaic law including the Decalogue.

The keeping of the Royal law not the Mosaic law. The Christian keeps Jesus two love commandments. The Christian is not under the letter of the law.

You started well and then appealed to your own effort at salvation. Why do you verse mine instead of reading the explanation and context of the verse? Let’s keep reading.

“You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him.

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All of us sin. John tells us what to do in 1 John 1. We, the believer, have an advocate that forgives our sins. The verse that you quoted refers to continual sin as verse 5 clearly explains. No one that has been generated continues to live in sin.

Secondly, without grace you can’t have faith. You trivialize God’s free gift. The person is saved by the grace of God through faith in the Son. No grace, no faith. You don’t understand the concept of Grace so you follow the letter of the law. Your answer to my question is incorrect.

“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 22:40 (NASB2020) - Upon these two commandments hang th - Bible App

Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”

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The rich young ruler loved his money and possessions and could not keep Jesus two love commandments (v. 21). This is the reason why he walked away and refused to sell his possessions and give to the poor.

“Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.”

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Do you live by faith Bro.T?

Nonsense....Paul says clear in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(,v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring can bring destruction to yourself not knowing which law is which.

At some point common sense should kick in. If I'm reading about the doing away of a law or not under a law, then somewhere else Paul tell you that the law is Holy just and good, another place Paul breaks mostly all the Ten commandments down. A light bulb should come on in your head, Paul have to be talking about two sets of laws. In other places Paul explain the animal sacrificial law.

Hentenza · Monday at 8:46 PM

Bro.T said:
Nonsense....

Considering that only the MJ, SDA, and a few small sects still consider the Mosaic law necessary for the Christian, yes, legalism is nonsense indeed.

Bro.T said:
Paul says clear in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

Correct. The bible speaks fine. Your interpretation….. not so much.

Bro.T said:
(,v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Typical verse mining. Why don’t you keep reading and actually get the message.

“But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.”
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It doesn’t get any clearer than this. The ONLY remaining function of the Mosaic law is to show unbelievers that they need a savior. The believer is no longer under the guardianship of the law.

Bro.T said:
To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

No. Not even close. Christ is always going to be the ultimate sacrifice and by that sacrifice faith came and He sent the helper to guide the believer.

Bro.T said:
Now pay attention,

Not to your nonsense. I don’t like legalists that try to put the monkey of the law back on the Christian. Take your snake oil somewhere else.

Bro.T · Tuesday at 5:28 PM

Hentenza said:
Considering that only the MJ, SDA, and a few small sects still consider the Mosaic law necessary for the Christian, yes, legalism is nonsense indeed.

Correct. The bible speaks fine. Your interpretation….. not so much.

Typical verse mining. Why don’t you keep reading and actually get the message.

“But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭23‬-‭29‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we

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It doesn’t get any clearer than this. The ONLY remaining function of the Mosaic law is to show unbelievers that they need a savior. The believer is no longer under the guardianship of the law.

No. Not even close. Christ is always going to be the ultimate sacrifice and by that sacrifice faith came and He sent the helper to guide the believer.

Not to your nonsense. I don’t like legalists that try to put the monkey of the law back on the Christian. Take your snake oil somewhere else.

You miss leading people with your understanding of the bible. Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.(Gal 3:24)

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation. Paul says in Romans 2: 11 for there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

It doesn’t get any clearer than this.

Hentenza · Tuesday at 6:18 PM

Bro.T said:
You miss leading people with your understanding of the bible.

Am I now. Let’s see. Your understanding of the Bible is quite unorthodox with only around 3% or less of Christians believing that the Mosaic law still in effect. Over 97% of Christians disagree with you including me. Your way of interpretation condemns 97% of prophesying Christians and yet you continue to wrongly preach it. You need to get out of whatever sect you are in.

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