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Hegseth requires testosterone deficiency screening for service members over 30

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Please tell me this straight from The Onion?


Jack em up with roids, wind them up, and send em to battle.
And override any possible rational thinking.
 
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Maybe he's been listening to too many commercials about men's testosterone levels in the USA, or you'd think there is an epidemic with all the commercials.

Honestly, you wouldn't want some low testosterone males on the battlefield because the symptoms are real when it comes to physical performance and energy.
 
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Maybe he's been listening to too many commercials about men's testosterone levels in the USA, or you'd think there is an epidemic with all the commercials.
YouTube is the mind killer.
Honestly, you wouldn't want some low testosterone males on the battlefield because the symptoms are real when it comes to physical performance and energy.
If some soldier has a testosterone deficiency that hinders performance, then they have some sort of medical syndrome with symptoms and treatment courses. If there isn't a documented issue for that particular soldier, then why would it matter?
 
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YouTube is the mind killer.
Isn't everything we hear psychological manipulation? YouTube can be a mind killer if you don't play lawyer and verify. But if you are saying YouTube is wrong about testosterone, I beg to differ.
If some soldier has a testosterone deficiency that hinders performance, then they have some sort of medical syndrome with symptoms and treatment courses. If there isn't a documented issue for that particular soldier, then why would it matter?
Yes, and it would be good to find out rather than have the soldiers wait for symptoms. Now that I think about it, I don't remember blood tests in the 80s, but I imagine in today's age the military should be doing preventive care and they should have the numbers in their medical records.
 
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Maybe he's been listening to too many commercials about men's testosterone levels in the USA, or you'd think there is an epidemic with all the commercials.
Yes, and it would be good to find out rather than have the soldiers wait for symptoms. Now that I think about it, I don't remember blood tests in the 80s, but I imagine in today's age the military should be doing preventive care and they should have the numbers in their medical records.

Actually, it's not just the commercials and youtubers (who are trying to profit off of it) who have put a spotlight on the problem.


Studies show that age-specific testosterone levels in men have been in a slow and consistent decline for several decades. Researchers call the changes “alarming” from an evolutionary point of view.


The average levels of the hormone testosterone may have fallen by more than 50 per cent among men in the last five decades, according to an alarming new study warning about an ongoing male fertility crisis.

In new research, scientists conducted a review of six long-term studies that tracked changes in testosterone among men.

Overall, the analysis included data on testosterone levels in nearly 118,600 men between 1972 and 2019 from five countries, including Israel, the US, Brazil, Finland and Denmark.

The findings confirm men’s average testosterone levels in 2019 had decreased by more than 50 per cent compared with 1972.

Taken together, the average reduction rate since 1979 was 54 per cent, and the pace of decline seems to have accelerated particularly after 2000, scientists say.




Cleveland Clinic is one of the top hospitals in the world...so if it was just the for-profit telehealth companies and podcasters saying it, then skepticism would be warranted. However in this case, it would appear mainstream medical science is in agreement. Something's going on with T levels.

A 50% decline is pretty substantial, and for it to be across such a large diverse group of people shows that the problem isn't just regional thing. (like if it was happening in one country, but nowhere else, then that could make it easier to tie to things like local environmental toxics or localized food choices)

And it's certainly not "a wild idea" to suggest that low T could be an issue in a military setting specifically for combat roles. Obviously for the servicemen with desk jobs, it's not as big of a concern in terms of job performance.


As far as what happened in 2000 (which is when they say the problem started really accelerating), I haven't a clue.
 
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Delete. Already posted
There’s one in AP, yes, but it’s valid here too, talking about hormone replacement therapy (that tends to be addictive), should oughta be addressed in many places.
 
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The surest sign someone ain't an alpha is that they claim to be an alpha.
Not to mention the entire "Alpha / Beta" concept being complete pop psychology bunk.
 
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Not to mention the entire "Alpha / Beta" concept being complete pop psychology bunk.
I barely pay attention to the concept but it seems to me to be
Alphas get what alphas want!”

I view it as an offshoot of Norman Vincent Peale‘s “The Power of Positive Thinking”, dressed up in camo gear.
 
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I barely pay attention to the concept but it seems to me to be
Alphas get what alphas want!”

I view it as an offshoot of Norman Vincent Peale‘s “The Power of Positive Thinking”, dressed up in camo gear.

It's based off a now long discredited study on wolves social structure and mating hierarchy. People then tried to extend it to humans despite the study being flawed and the lack of thought in applying wolf social mores to human beings.
 
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I barely pay attention to the concept but it seems to me to be
Alphas get what alphas want!”

I view it as an offshoot of Norman Vincent Peale‘s “The Power of Positive Thinking”, dressed up in camo gear.
Peale, was sorta creepy... Like the crystal cathedral dude... Positive affirmations.
 
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Not to mention the entire "Alpha / Beta" concept being complete pop psychology bunk.

I don't know that it's fair to dismiss it as completely bunk.

From an evolutionary standpoint, there is validity to some of the underlying concepts.

It's just that we've evolved to the point where the normal laws of natural selection and species propagation don't have to the follow the same rules as they once did when we were still "in the wild"

Prior to much of the modern scientific and medical advancement...

If you weren't fit enough to acquire food, and didn't have enough aggression and strength to be able to physically defend it from someone else who was trying to take it from you and your tribe, it means that you didn't eat/survive.

We're at a point in human evolution now where we've already figured out ways to somewhat cancel out factors that would've normally ended with "your lineage stops here". We're at a point where a fat lazy slob can get by without starving to death, and stave off the effects of their unhealthy lifestyles thanks to medical science.

So it's not that "the whole alpha thing" was bunk, it's that it's become partially obsolete (for better or worse...probably a little of both depending on the aspect of society we're talking about)


If you're referring specifically to 1970's wolf studies that people tried to apply to humans, then yes, that part may be purely recent pop psychology. Obviously we're not wolves and dynamics are different.

However, things like status and dominance are real in humans, just not as binary as they are in other mammalian species. People absolutely track those things, and and those things do correlate with mating and reproductive outcomes as well as other long term outcomes.
 
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