In Anabaptist "enclaves", little kids are being made to wear cape dress and kapp or hanging veil.
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Religious Persecution by the President of the United States
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In Anabaptist "enclaves", little kids are being made to wear cape dress and kapp or hanging veil.
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The Muslims need to follow our culture more than us them. They can start by teaching their daughters to sing like this:
Muslim Americans have to marry us in every way. Help us... Nurture us... Everything.
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Well, we got there at last. Rob's been doing his best to avoid this because he knows what comes next. And what comes next is that we go back to his original post where he says that the sort of people who make their young daughters wear a head covering is simply not acceptable in the US. But someone telling their young daughter that if they sin they will burn in hell for eternity and never see friends or family again...well, that's just perfectly acceptable.
And that's because it's part of your religion. And wearing a Hajib is part of someone else's religion. You couldn't ask for a better example of religious bigotry. Oh, sorry. It's not bigotry. It's your vision of the 'road to synergy!'
I'd tell you what I really think but I would be banned.
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Are there a lot of them trying to move here from other countries?
As I noted, not really much that can be done about people born here, they're US citizens by birthright.
It'd be like saying "well, since there's a small subset of people born here who end up being communists, that means we have no right to deny entry to communists from other places"
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Those aren't the apropos questions to suss that kind of stuff out.
It'd be more like
"If a daughter refuses to wear a hijab, do you think it's okay to use corporal punishment or threaten disownment?"
"If a daughter refuses an arranged marriage and instead wants to marry who she loves and make her own choice, is that grounds for disownment and shunning?"
"Is it okay to use fear as an approach to make sure your kids pick the same religion as you for vanity purposes so you can save face in front of your religious community?"
If they answer "Yes" to any of those questions, then we don't need bring them in
We already have native born citizens with some of those attitudes I'm competing with at the ballot box, we don't need to import any more to cancel out my vote in the future just because one political faction thinks it could help them ram through some legislation 5 years down the road or wants to virtue signal about how "totally not racist" they are to their political tribe.
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There are somewhat objective standards we could use to evaluate that.
While I personally don't have a dog in the fight for "whose deity wins" (I don't believe in any of them, sorry to those it may offend)
I think a strong objective case can be made that there are discernable patterns in terms of the treatment of women, gays, and freethinkers based on what the the majority religion of the region is. As well as the likelihood of the predominate religion of a region becoming a full blown theocracy.
Would you be interested in going through an exercise of tallying up theocratic governments- grouped by the majority religion of the country?
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Don't treat me like an idiot. Please. This is you right at the very start of the thread:
And you went on to conclude that a culture where young girls wear the Hijab is therefore a danger to American womanhood.
But now you've spent I don't know how many posts dancing around this and slowly back peddling to the point where it's now become a danger to young Muslim children. You nailed your colours to the mast in just the second post. That was your opinion. It's what you wanted to say, you said it quite clearly and you're being judged on it.
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With that kind of attitude (not with you), we can expect a future of chaos, hatred, spite, war, murder, etc... Please don't influence Americans with that kind of sentiment.
...It's not wonder that this kind of sentiment is usually found in those on the side of the Islamists. That's exactly how they behave. You don't support them, do you?
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Let's not become Jr. terrorists, okay? I know Palestinian / Islamist support often has negative underlying effects, but we have to resist adopting those ways if we want to remain a civilized, grown up type society.
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...ah, but the Anabapitst are from America* so, unlike Muslim school girls, they're not a threat to our secular society..or so we are told in this thread.
*The Anabapist, like the majority of the religious groups in our country, came from abroad. Probably the biggest exception are the Mormons.
I thought respect for the way others worship and yes, dress their children, is a core American value? Or maybe not when it comes to certain groups.
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What is the Anabaptist form of Jihad? Wait, there isn't one? Huh! Weird!
...So yeah, maybe "certain groups" matter.
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What? Why would you deny some entry just because they are communists? Just deal with them as usual in the elections, if their ideas are not popular they won't get any support.
If they go down the revolutionary road and break the law (or break the law for any other reason), put them in prison (and afterwards deport them if it please you).
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Within certain ideologies, the first order of business is change the laws, so that's moot.
As I pointed out earlier, one of the soft spots of democracy is that it can be used against itself. As in "People can democratically vote to get rid of democracy" if the numbers are in their favor.
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I haven't backpedaled...
What I said in that earlier perfectly ties into what I mentioned in the post you're quoting now.
It's a very one-sided "modesty framework" that men strictly force upon females (often via various forms of coercion), and comes with punishments if women dare to disobey men. The reason why the enforced practiced is extended to young girls specifically in the Somali Islamic culture (and not other Muslim cultures like in Egypt and Turkey) is specifically because within the Somali Islamic culture, girls that young being perceived as "viable marrying age" was normalized there. (as noted by my previous stat I listed from a human rights org, half of females get married off before the age of 18, with some being as young as 9 & 10)
Do you think a group of people leaves their religious baggage at the door when they move from Mogadishu to Minneapolis?
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I suspect the reason why people find a reason not to engage in the "which religion is most likely to end in theocracy if reaching a majority" is because it's a tangible statistical thing that can't be denied or debated.
There are 53 Muslim majority countries on the planet, and 120 Christian majority countries on the planet.
Yet, despite there being far fewer Muslim majority countries, they account for 2/3 of countries on the planet with state-enforced religious codes, and all of the world's full blown theocracies (with the exception of Vatican City if people want to count that as a real country)
Much of that has to do with doctrinal differences between the two and the key players in each. As the story goes, Muhammed himself became a political leader through hijra (migration to a new territory, and then when you've got the numbers, get yourself in a leadership position and consolidate state & religious power).
But there's no two ways about it, on the topic of propensity for theocratic governance, Islam disproportionately over-represented in that regard, and not just by a little bit.
There's no Jesus quotes in the bible that would leave people with the impression "the appropriate way to bring more to Christianity is to move to that city, snag the majority of city council seats so we can write the rule book, and then start creating religious carveouts for ourselves and force the existing residents to live our our rules". Obviously some Christians behave that way in the US where they try to ram through religious-based rules if they have a majority, but that's in spite of the texts, not because of it.
Whereas, the same can't be said for the teachings of Muhammed, those teachings explicitly prop that up as an example of what to do.
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I don't think that folks who wear Communism as full head gear transplant themselves to another nation to merely have the opportunity to gain citizenship and vote. No, their political ideology often comes with additional political baggage for the purpose of pushing social manipulation and regime change.
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So the solution is to make the process itself undemocratic (to limit free formation of opinion)? Only let in immigrants that have the "correct" belief(s)?
I have met several chilean, kurdish and turkish (not at the same time!) communists, seeking and getting asylum in Sweden, and none of them have led a revolt or tried to change any regime. I have meet others as well, but not in any significant numbers. I volunteer at a "språkcafé" (language café), people being communists are not a usual ground to deny them residence from the ones I have spoken to.
I do know of people who have done violent acts based on their politics, who have been denied though.
What immigrant-caused communist takeover are you thinking about?
Communist parties have been on the ballot and gotten seats since 1921 here.
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