I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 8, 2026

bbbbbbb said:
You continue to miss the point. This is the last time I will try to make it.

It is absurd to state that all of God's commandments were given to all of humanity to obey.

They are to be applied to all of humanity. The obey part not so much.

The law is upheld against all evil and lawlessness in everyone, whether they accept the fact or not, which is irrelevant. Romans 3:19, easy example

timothyu · Jul 8, 2026

JulieB67 said:
It only applies to those that receive the Word by the way side

It’s like a buffet. Some get to eat, some their food gets contaminated, some drop their plates, so yes not everyone eats and gets nourished

timothyu · Jul 8, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
We know God raised up enemies against Israel for example. Obviously involved in adversarial fashions on multiple fronts

Adversarial man comes in handy when His own nation becomes adversarial. They reap what they sow.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 9, 2026

JulieB67 said:
This is where you're problem lies. We see and know the truth of all of God's word and should live by that. But not every word applies to everyone in a sense that every verse is specifically regarding/targeting everyone. That would be impossible.

For example, do you believe this verse applies to you?

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Of course not.

Christ makes the distinction in the parable of the sower and separates the groups. So naturally they are all different in how they receive the Word. So, no, not every word in that parable applies to everyone. That makes no sense at all or Christ wouldn't have separated them into different groups.

Not true

Matthew 13:23 "But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

Which is totally different than this person-

Matthew 13:19 "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

One understands the word because he received it on good ground and the other person understands it not and Satan comes and catches it away because he received the seed by the way side.

So, no, again we see the entire truth of God's word and live by that bread but we can see that there are different groups in this parable. They are not all the same.

You're only continuing to prove an inability to comprehend that all have sin and sin is of the devil.

Guess WHO the missing party is in all your positions about humanity?

It's quite funny. You're being stolen from in broad daylight and don't have a clue

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 9, 2026

timothyu said:
It’s like a buffet. Some get to eat, some their food gets contaminated, some drop their plates, so yes not everyone eats and gets nourished

That just you thinking you're better than the other sinners.

Guess what? You're not. Romans 3:9

If you really are in truth you'd know you're actually worse and you'd know how and why that's the case, 1 Tim. 1:15, 1 John 3:8

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 9, 2026

timothyu said:
Adversarial man comes in handy when His own nation becomes adversarial. They reap what they sow.

Who is they? Let's see how hard a brand you burn into your neighbors, that we're commanded to love iirc

JulieB67 · Jul 9, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
You're only continuing to prove an inability to comprehend that all have sin and sin is of the devil.

You're continuing to prove your belief that Satan has all the power within someone over the Holy Spirit which is a shame.

timothyu · Jul 9, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
That just you thinking you're better than the other sinners

No that is me choosing to follow the will of God over the will of man. Those who follow the will of man are the arrogant ones. Turn on the news for a vivid example

timothyu · Jul 9, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Who is they?

Like I said, adversarial mankind. Those adversarial to the will of God

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 9, 2026

JulieB67 said:
You're continuing to prove your belief that Satan has all the power

You keep hearing that but I've NEVER said that.

Your positions quite simply exclude that other part, and try to eliminate it completely from yourself, primarily.

Yet you'll acknowledge you SIN and that sin inclusive of temptations, lawless evil thoughts-words-actions are in fact "of the devil." Don't feel bad. It happens in EVERYONE.

JulieB67 said:
within someone over the Holy Spirit which is a shame.

Your spin, not mine.

I know for no uncertain fact that the Holy Spirit is against lawlessness and evil in EVERYONE, no exceptions. And we ALL have that cross to bear. And we ALL fail because of IT.

So any jumbo jumbo about how "believers are exempt" is a basic lie of the devils speaking through them. Nothing against the persons whatsoever. It's all courtesy of our mutual adversary. No hiding works for the liars. Liars simply can not admit the facts of their existence in humanity. They can't tell the truth and I'll never expect them to

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 9, 2026

timothyu said:
No that is me choosing to follow the will of God over the will of man. Those who follow the will of man are the arrogant ones. Turn on the news for a vivid example

IF only "you and your choices" were involved you'd have a point but that's never the case

Both God and devils operate in ALL, God in Christ being the sole exemption to internal deceptions by our adversary..

It was never just you, I or any other person between our own 2 ears. Part of us will never understand. That's the adversary's part. You might predictably try to claim exemption but that is never the case

All have sin
Sin is of the devil
Because of this fact we're no better than anyone else, the only difference being we're supposed to know the fact of the condition. And speak truthfully about it. Still doesn't change the fact of it

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 9, 2026

timothyu said:
Like I said, adversarial mankind. Those adversarial to the will of God

You are consistently predictably void of the unseen adversaries in these matters. It's not even you, really. Paul called it no longer I twice in Romans 7 for pinpoint purposes

timothyu · Jul 9, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
All have sin
Sin is of the devil

Yes we all do including what you call the devil because adversity is part of creation, the opposite of servitude.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 10, 2026

timothyu said:
Yes we all do including what you call the devil because adversity is part of creation, the opposite of servitude.

Are you on the Satanic salvation committee as well? Just for clarifications

JulieB67 · Jul 10, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
And we ALL fail because of IT.

So you believe this verse applies to everyone as well?

Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them"

timothyu · Jul 10, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Are you on the Satanic salvation committee as well? Just for clarifications

The Tempter was created for a purpose and its use will run out at the end, being disposable. As for God’s plan for putting adversity to His will back in the box, we’ll have to wait and see. In the meantime which way we follow remains a choice which determines our outcome. God never had use for willing traitors, be they elohim or man.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 13, 2026

timothyu said:
The Tempter was created for a purpose and its use will run out at the end, being disposable. As for God’s plan for putting adversity to His will back in the box, we’ll have to wait and see. In the meantime which way we follow remains a choice which determines our outcome. God never had use for willing traitors, be they elohim or man.

Your choices still don't make you the better sinner

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 13, 2026

JulieB67 said:
So you believe this verse applies to everyone as well?

Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them"

Well, if and when you bring the enemy into your theological pictures the pictures change considerably

And being truthful about that is a vital part of honesty. Otherwise your just kidding yourself with the typical one sided incomplete picture, which is quite natural

timothyu · Jul 13, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Your choices still don't make you the better sinner

But they do establish allegiance.

TruthInLight · Jul 14, 2026

bèlla said:
The Parable of Lazarus and The Rich Man says otherwise. He was not in heaven.

~bella

Along with the one that says not everyone who says to me lord lord, and the ones where someone tells Jesus to open the door only for him to tell them he knew them not.

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