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I've a question. Does the Investigative Judgement shut down each week for the Sabbath?
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Sabbath and the Investigative Judgement.
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I have not seen a weekly schedule from them as of this point.
If you get one, let us know.
what I have seen is
1. Dan 7:9-10 the judgment based on what is written in books.
2. Judgment that includes myriads and myriads ... not just the Triune Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
3. Judgment that starts after the fall of the 4th empire in Dan 7 and after the rise of the 11th horn
4. Judgment that starts after 1260 years of persecution of the saints.
5. Judgment that ends before the appearing of Christ according to Dan 7
6. Judgment that concludes 'in favor of the saints" according to Dan 7:21-22
Judgment that proceeds along the lines of Rom 2:4-16 according to Paul and is still future to the writing of Rom 2 according to that chapter.
========================= Rom 2 judgment as complement to Dan 7:9-10, 21-22
Rom 2:
4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
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When I read Daniel 7:19-27, which interprets the vision, it is the little horn that is judged, not the saints. The saints are not the ones being judged, it is the one that was prevailing against them. But back to my original point, the 4th commandment says that you are to rest on the 7th day and do no work. So again I ask, would the work of the Investigative Judgement shut down each week in Heaven during the Sabbath?
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The priests ministered every day of the year, and In the heavenly sanctuary, Christ ministers for us first in the Holy Place, and now, in the Most Holy Place.
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You haven't answered my question. Do they continue the work of the Investigative Judgement 24/7, seven days a week including Sabbath?
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19 “Then I desired to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its claws of bronze, and which devoured, crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet, 20 and the meaning of the ten horns that were on its head and the other horn which came up, and before which three of them fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth uttering great boasts and which was larger in appearance than its associates. 21 I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom. NASB
Passed in favor of the saints, means that just as we see in Rom 2, the saints are included in the judgment.
It also says that until that judgment is complete , the saints are getting hammered by the bad guys.
25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints
It is only after that judgment concludes that relief comes for the saints, Christ appears and takes over dominion
"passed in favor of the saints" Means the saints are included.
Rom 2:4-16 saints subjected to the judgment
2 Cor 5:9 saints included in the judgment
true. We are fine with that
I don't have a printed schedule for their process in heaven. When you get one, let us know
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I think people confuse secular work of man with God's holy work that He does for mankind. God set an example of working 6 days and resting the Sabbath day from works and labors to keep the Sabbath day holy, spending sanctified time with His children, everything God did at Creation was for the benefit of mankind because He loves us. Sin is what separated us from God Isa 59:2 God's work as our High Priest in heaven and Mediator between us and God the Father is to restore us back. I think people get sidetracked about what God does, versus what God commanded us to do.
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The saints are included in this judgement process, but they are not the ones being judged. Their oppressor is. BTW, based upon your understanding of how to observe the Sabbath, do you personally think that the Heavenly Court would continue the work of the Investigative Judgement through the Sabbath each week, or would they rest and then pick up the judgement again on the first day?
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Need to read the Bible as the Daniel 7 judgement is the same as the Revelation 20..
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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Judgement cannot be passed in favor of someone who is not being judged.
You are using the "judged" in the limited context of "condemned".
But the judgment in Dan 7 , (just as we see in Rom 2;4-16) is the full scope of the term "Judged/judgment" where as we see in Romans 2, some are approved and others are condemned.
I don't have their current schedule of events mailed to me, but if you get one, let me know
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I would say it is the Dan 7 preAdvent judgment is same one as we see in Rom 2:4-16
and 2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
The Rev 20:4 judgment is one that happens during the millennium, before all those events described as happening after the millennium
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as we see in 2 Cor 5:10 and Rom 2;4-16 and Dan 7:21-22 that is true. Both saved and lost people in that Rom 2;4-16 group as the text says.
Question for you:
If you were introduced to the judgment and they said your 12 year old son has been declared to be "a sinner saved by Grace" ..
And then you ask "what about my 11 year old daughter"?
"Who?"
"We did not look at her case"
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That is not the sort of thing the Bible describes.
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Why would an omniscient God require a prolonged, chronological investigation to weigh the worthiness of believers?
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Given that an all knowing God knew from eternity past all outcomes, and given that the myriads and myriads who are in the court room of Dan 7:9-10 are not God, are not omniscient and are following along as they read "out of the books that were opened", it is not that hard to see that such a Dan 7 process "takes time".
Rom 2:4-16 describes the process they use.
Christ Himself warns that we are known by what we do, by our fruits in Matt 7.
Rom 2:11 says "there is no partiality with God" it is not an arbitrary, biased judgment process.
The conclusion is . according to Rev 15:3 "just and true are your ways oh God"
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God knows all outcomes, past, present, and future. Omniscience does not refer to past actions only. That would not be omniscience but just knowing history, what happened in the past.
No. The judgement here does not referrer to the world at large, but on the beast (v.11), preparatory to giving the kingdom to the one who was like the Son of man (vs. 13-14).
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BobRyan said:
Given that an all knowing God knew from eternity past all outcomes,
Then as Dan 7 states , once it completes, the saints are give relief from persecution and Christ's Kingdom is setup by first crushing wicked humanity.
It is a case of "judgment passed in favor of the saints" Dan 7:21-22 NASB using the very process Rom 2 describes
Given that an all knowing God knew from eternity past all outcomes,
as I just said.
in any case as I said the Dan 7:9-10 judgment based on open books and nonGod beings seeing the records such that judgment outcome is directly related to what people actually did ... as Rom 2:4-16 points out... is the time consuming process we are discussing.
The Dan 7 judgment works just as Rom 2 states. The result is as scripture says, some are approved and others are condemned.
Then as Dan 7 states , once it completes, the saints are give relief from persecution and Christ's Kingdom is setup by first crushing wicked humanity.
It is a case of "judgment passed in favor of the saints" Dan 7:21-22 NASB using the very process Rom 2 describes
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Not much as usual. Repeating it does not make it true. As usual you did not address my post.
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BobRyan said:
Given that an all knowing God knew from eternity past all outcomes,
and you can't try that stunt on this section of the board.
There are "details" in the forum rules where you post just as there are "details" in the posts themselves.
Given that an all knowing God knew from eternity past all outcomes,
as I just said.
in any case as I said the Dan 7:9-10 judgment based on open books and nonGod beings seeing the records such that judgment outcome is directly related to what people actually did ... as Rom 2:4-16 points out... is the time consuming process we are discussing.
your habit of not actually responding to or reading details in the posts, continues to under serve you
and you can't try that stunt on this section of the board.
There are "details" in the forum rules where you post just as there are "details" in the posts themselves.
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Still have not said much and you still have not addressed my post.
From my post 15 that you keep ignoring and deflecting. Dan. 7:9-10- The judgement here does not referrer to the world at large, but on the beast (v.11), preparatory to giving the kingdom to the one who was like the Son of man (vs. 13-14).
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As stated before (and ignored repeatedly in your posts)
"judgment passed in favor of the saints" Dan 7:21-22 most certainly requires Saints to be included in the judgment passed in their favor just as we see proven beyond all doubt in Rom 2:4-16. This irrefutable detail works against your speculation above.
The point remains.
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