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What is the Minnesota Truth Council?

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This reminds me of the "Ministry of Truth" idea with that Mary Poppins woman during the Biden administration. I wonder how non-partisan it actually is and if this non-profit will obtain some taxpayer dollars through grants, etc.
Nice thread.
Maybe this will be a good thing to curb the Federal Government from encroaching on the several states, and their rights under our shared Constitution?
 
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This reminds me of the "Ministry of Truth" idea with that Mary Poppins woman during the Biden administration. I wonder how non-partisan it actually is and if this non-profit will obtain some taxpayer dollars through grants, etc.

What is the Minnesota Truth Council?

The Minnesota Truth Council is an independent, non-partisan body that will create a historical record of survivor and witness experiences from Operation PARRIS and Operation Metro Surge.

What will the council do?

The council will listen to, document, and collect stories and testimony from people who were affected during the surge, including those who suffered physical, psychological, familial, economic, and civic harm. The council will also collect stories about how Minnesotans banded together to protect and support their neighbors and communities.

From these stories, the council will produce and publish a report that will also provide legislative and policy recommendations.
Documentation is a good thing.
 
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What is the Minnesota Truth Council?
The Minnesota Truth Council is an independent, non-partisan body that will create a historical record of survivor and witness experiences from Operation PARRIS and Operation Metro Surge.​
What will the council do?
The council will listen to, document, and collect stories and testimony from people who were affected during the surge, including those who suffered physical, psychological, familial, economic, and civic harm. The council will also collect stories about how Minnesotans banded together to protect and support their neighbors and communities.​
From these stories, the council will produce and publish a report that will also provide legislative and policy recommendations.​
Documentation is a good thing.
We had real time video on bodycams so we could see much of the protesting/rioting. But there will still be some who weren't on camera I guess.
 
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We had real time video on bodycams so we could see much of the protesting/rioting. But there will still be some who weren't on camera I guess.
And just because it may be on bodycam, doesn't mean that the footage will be shared with local authorities, let alone the public.
 
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This reminds me of the "Ministry of Truth" idea with that Mary Poppins woman during the Biden administration. I wonder how non-partisan it actually is and if this non-profit will obtain some taxpayer dollars through grants, etc.
You mean Nina Jankowicz. She's very interesting . She discusses the disinformation on both sides of media, politics and online bullying. Yes, it's sad , that the News media lies. The Minnesota Truth Council will be about the. Truth and the harassment the ICE and Trump administration has caused. I hope the harassment is told. We've had ICE for a long time. And there was no reasons for the evil tactics, that Trump wanted.
 
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The Minnesota Truth Council is an independent, non-partisan body that will create a historical record of survivor and witness experiences from Operation PARRIS and Operation Metro Surge.
Calling it "non-partisan" is a bit of a stretch (in terms of what most people consider that term to mean)


Calling something "non-partisan" is often used to convey the notion that it's an even split between both teams, and the findings/conclusions are part of a true bipartisan consensus.

Their non-partisan committee consists of
Chair - the judge who presided over the Derek Chauvin trial

Vice Chair - an executive from the HRC

An immigration lawyer

Two Immigration Studies professors from the University of Minnesota

A sociology professor from U of M

The chair of the American-Somali Leadership committee

Two union leaders

An ACLU leader for Minnesota

...and one token retired Police Chief from the suburbs. (and before anyone gets bent out of shape, I don't mean token as in "he's black", I mean token in terms of "see, we have a law enforcement guy on the committee")


While it may be "non-partisan" strictly in a semantic sense that the ACLU person may identify as a Libertarian, and 1 or 2 of them may identify as "independent". It's stacked in favor of the left-leaning viewpoints on the subject.


By that standard, Trump's cabinet was "non-partisan", in that RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard were democrats/independents, so that means it's a well balanced entity, right??

This committee is basically tailored to producing the "expert" conclusion of "Conservative actions on immigration = bad"
 
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Calling it "non-partisan" is a bit of a stretch (in terms of what most people consider that term to mean)
Perhaps they should learn what the term actually means. Perhaps we should start ...

Calling something "non-partisan" is often used to convey the notion that it's an even split between both teams, and the findings/conclusions are part of a true bipartisan consensus.
...here: "non-partisan" is not the same as "bi-partisan". Bi-partisan is explicitly political and dedicated to the notion that all that exists is D v. R
Their non-partisan committee consists of
Chair - the judge who presided over the Derek Chauvin trial

Vice Chair - an executive from the HRC

An immigration lawyer

Two Immigration Studies professors from the University of Minnesota

A sociology professor from U of M

The chair of the American-Somali Leadership committee

Two union leaders

An ACLU leader for Minnesota

...and one token retired Police Chief from the suburbs. (and before anyone gets bent out of shape, I don't mean token as in "he's black", I mean token in terms of "see, we have a law enforcement guy on the committee")
None of those positions is explicitly linked to either major party.
While it may be "non-partisan" strictly in a semantic sense that the ACLU person may identify as a Libertarian, and 1 or 2 of them may identify as "independent". It's stacked in favor of the left-leaning viewpoints on the subject.
That would be within the definition of "non-partisan", but more importantly, the placing of these peoples was not done based on their political alignement. They are not partisan politicians.
By that standard, Trump's cabinet was "non-partisan", in that RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard were democrats/independents, so that means it's a well balanced entity, right??
Trump's cabinet could at best be called "bipartisan" with a couple "democrats" joining persons who are explicitly partisan republicans, but more importantly they are all partisan Trumpists.
This committee is basically tailored to producing the "expert" conclusion of "Conservative actions on immigration = bad"

Did you not read the description of the Council?

"The Minnesota Truth Council is an independent, non-partisan body that will create a historical record of survivor and witness experiences from Operation PARRIS and Operation Metro Surge."
 
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Calling it "non-partisan" is a bit of a stretch (in terms of what most people consider that term to mean)


Calling something "non-partisan" is often used to convey the notion that it's an even split between both teams, and the findings/conclusions are part of a true bipartisan consensus.

Their non-partisan committee consists of
Chair - the judge who presided over the Derek Chauvin trial

Vice Chair - an executive from the HRC

An immigration lawyer

Two Immigration Studies professors from the University of Minnesota

A sociology professor from U of M

The chair of the American-Somali Leadership committee

Two union leaders

An ACLU leader for Minnesota

...and one token retired Police Chief from the suburbs. (and before anyone gets bent out of shape, I don't mean token as in "he's black", I mean token in terms of "see, we have a law enforcement guy on the committee")


While it may be "non-partisan" strictly in a semantic sense that the ACLU person may identify as a Libertarian, and 1 or 2 of them may identify as "independent". It's stacked in favor of the left-leaning viewpoints on the subject.


By that standard, Trump's cabinet was "non-partisan", in that RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard were democrats/independents, so that means it's a well balanced entity, right??

This committee is basically tailored to producing the "expert" conclusion of "Conservative actions on immigration = bad"

A State creating a commission to investigate (and document) possible abuse of its citizens by the Federal Government is how things are supposed to work.

This is another case of “normal is outrageous!!1!!”
It’s played-out, but some keep going to it.
 
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A State creating a commission to investigate (and document) possible abuse of its citizens by the Federal Government is how things are supposed to work.

This is another case of “normal is outrageous!!1!!”
It’s played-out, but some keep going to it.

The investigative review process is normal, but calling it "non-partisan" in order to give the patina of objectivity so the general public will think it's fair & balanced is a bit disingenuous on their part.
 
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Perhaps they should learn what the term actually means. Perhaps we should start ...
...here: "non-partisan" is not the same as "bi-partisan". Bi-partisan is explicitly political and dedicated to the notion that all that exists is D v. R
Correct, but as noted, they're playing to the fact that many members of the general public often use them interchangeably or operate on the assumption that one means the other (incorrectly)
None of those positions is explicitly linked to either major party.
Right, but most of those of those are heavily tilted toward one specific viewpoint on the subject (and that viewpoint happens to be the one held by the left)

"The Minnesota Truth Council is an independent, non-partisan body that will create a historical record of survivor and witness experiences from Operation PARRIS and Operation Metro Surge."
Governor Walz stated: “Minnesotans demand and deserve a public record that reflects the violent, cruel, inhumane, and deeply disturbing actions of federal immigration agents.”

This is not going to be an unbiased review/documentation process. Walz has already stated the conclusion he's looking for, before this panel has had a chance to document anything.

I'll predict it now (and then when they produce the report/recommendations, we'll see if I'm right)...

It's going to be a sensationalized, dramatic report (leaning heavily on emotionally-triggering narratives) talking about the evils of federal immigration enforcement, and the recommendation will be that immigration enforcement shouldn't be conducted broadly, and that sanctuary policies are the best approach.

If December comes around and they actually produce a balanced unbiased report, I'll be happy to come back to this thread and eat crow.

Otherwise, this is just creating an authority to appeal to in order for them to bolster the positions they already held on the matter.
 
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Correct, but as noted, they're playing to the fact that many members of the general public often use them interchangeably or operate on the assumption that one means the other (incorrectly)
why should we bow to a common error? I wasn't addressing those in the general public who don't know the difference. I was addressing *you* and *your post* where *you* used it incorrectly. (And seemingly knew the difference ahead of time.)

If we want our dialog to have meaning, then we should lower our standards to make points.
Right, but most of those of those are heavily tilted toward one specific viewpoint on the subject (and that viewpoint happens to be the one held by the left)


Governor Walz stated: “Minnesotans demand and deserve a public record that reflects the violent, cruel, inhumane, and deeply disturbing actions of federal immigration agents.”

This is not going to be an unbiased review/documentation process. Walz has already stated the conclusion he's looking for, before this panel has had a chance to document anything.

I'll predict it now (and then when they produce the report/recommendations, we'll see if I'm right)...

It's going to be a sensationalized, dramatic report (leaning heavily on emotionally-triggering narratives) talking about the evils of federal immigration enforcement, and the recommendation will be that immigration enforcement shouldn't be conducted broadly, and that sanctuary policies are the best approach.

If December comes around and they actually produce a balanced unbiased report, I'll be happy to come back to this thread and eat crow.

Otherwise, this is just creating an authority to appeal to in order for them to bolster the positions they already held on the matter.
Are you trying to "both sides" the terrorizing of the Minnesota populace by Trump's deportation army?
 
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why should we bow to a common error? I wasn't addressing those in the general public who don't know the difference. I was addressing *you* and *your post* where *you* used it incorrectly. (And seemingly knew the difference ahead of time.)

If we want our dialog to have meaning, then we should lower our standards to make points.
It's not bowing to the common error, it's recognizing that capitalizing on contemporary usage is shameless exploiting that common error.

Frank Luntz used to refer to it as "linguistic engineering"

"Non-partisan" plays on a common public misunderstanding, and acts as a credibility label, much like "grassroots"
Are you trying to "both sides" the terrorizing of the Minnesota populace by Trump's deportation army?
No, I'm saying that the committee itself is largely theater and a waste of time and money, and will just be another "expert panel" for people to appeal to for the thing they already believe.

You don't need a 4 month long government project and bureaucracy to know what a handful of people from left-leaning activist groups, a few UofM sociology professors, and the MN ACLU chapter president think about the Trump Admin's actions on immigration enforcement.

They're going to highlight a few extreme sounding stories and describe them in the most emotionally charged language possible, they're going to trot out the same talking points everyone's already very familiar with (ex: "here's the economic benefits undocumented immigrants provide, and hey, did you know they commit crimes at a lower rate than the general public?"), and recommend all of the boilerplate progressive recommendations on immigration (leveraging their credentials for credibility). The End.
 
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It's not bowing to the common error, it's recognizing that capitalizing on contemporary usage is shameless exploiting that common error.
Learn how words work. That is my advice to you and all of those you are accepting in their error.
Frank Luntz used to refer to it as "linguistic engineering"

"Non-partisan" plays on a common public misunderstanding, and acts as a credibility label, much like "grassroots"
Confusing non-partisan with bi-partisan is like confusing non-metallic with bi-metallic. (or is it "partisan" that you have problems comprehending?)
No, I'm saying that the committee itself is largely theater and a waste of time and money, and will just be another "expert panel" for people to appeal to for the thing they already believe.
Oh, we could tell. Just come out and say it instead of playing word games.
You don't need a 4 month long government project and bureaucracy to know what a handful of people from left-leaning activist groups, a few UofM sociology professors, and the MN ACLU chapter president think about the Trump Admin's actions on immigration enforcement.

They're going to highlight a few extreme sounding stories and describe them in the most emotionally charged language possible, they're going to trot out the same talking points everyone's already very familiar with (ex: "here's the economic benefits undocumented immigrants provide, and hey, did you know they commit crimes at a lower rate than the general public?"), and recommend all of the boilerplate progressive recommendations on immigration (leveraging their credentials for credibility). The End.
 
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Confusing non-partisan with bi-partisan is like confusing non-metallic with bi-metallic. (or is it "partisan" that you have problems comprehending?)
Not in public political discourse.

To the average joe on the street, they hear "non-partisan", and many will assume that to mean "both teams had a hand in building this report"

"Non-partisan," as has been noted, gets conflated with "objective" or "bipartisan" even when it just means "not formally affiliated with a party"... a group can be ideologically extreme and technically be non-partisan.

The reason why they're leveraging that is precisely because they want people to make that mistake. They want people to read this report, be appalled, and think "this must be legit, it's non-partisan, that means even some conservatives must have seen it and agreed"
Oh, we could tell. Just come out and say it instead of playing word games.

Pretty sure I did, if you recall in my first post, I said
"This committee is basically tailored to producing the "expert" conclusion of "Conservative actions on immigration = bad""


If they came out and said "we're building a progressive supergroup aimed and promoting our viewpoint on immigration", it'd have little to no credibility with the general public at large.

When they slap a "non-partisan" label on it, it's their way of trying to trick a few conservatives out in the rural areas to jump to their side of this issue.
 
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