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Daniel 8's 'daily sacrifice' and Daniel 9's 'daily sacrifice' are not the same Hebrew word. Daniel 8's 'daily sacrifice is H8548 'tamid'. All 3 mentions of 'daily sacrifice' in Dan 8 are that word, 'tamid'. Tamid means 'daily/ perpetual/ continual'. Tamid is also the word used in Dan 12:11's 1290 days.

That 'mighty angel' will 'swear an oath' and 'confirm the covenant' and break it in the middle of the Dan 9:27 years, causing the 'daily sacrifice' - animal sacrifices (the 'zebach'), to stop in Ezekiel's temple that they have built. (After the Ezek 39 Gog war appears to be over, then the temple will be rebuilt as described in Ezek 40-48.)

I appreciate you sharing this with me, but I genuinely can't keep delving into separate areas of discussion. Needless to say, I don't prescribe to your reasoning. I'm of the belief that different words can be used to describe the same thing, although I know that this isn't always the case, depending on the context. In this particular instance, I don't believe the two separate Hebrew words used for the daily sacrifice denote two different historical contexts. This is because of the overall prevailing patterned language shared between the passages. Rather, I believe that, together, they offer a fuller picture of one historical event to take place in the future.

If you'd like to know my stance on how the locusts related to end-time prophecy, you're just going to have to read my article, The Great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord, as it's too much for me to get into here.

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The Rev 10 mighty angel is this angel from Dan 10 and 12, the 'man in linen':

The man in linen of Dan 10
4 On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris, 5 I lifted up my eyes, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6 His body was like beryl, his face like the brilliance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of polished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.Is the same ‘man in linen’ in Dan 12
5 Then I, Daniel, looked and saw two others standing there, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long until the fulfillment of these wonders?”7 And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”

I'm aware of the connection of the mighty angel of Revelation 10 with the "man in linen" mentioned in Daniel. I'm not denying that, but this don't mean that the mighty angel isn't Jesus. Consequently, such a connection would just mean that the "man in linen" is also Jesus.



Both are angels 'swearing an oath to heaven' after the occurrence of the abomination (Dan 11:31-39) and Rev 9:13-21, respectively. Both are in the context of 'time, times, half a time'/ 1260 days of the holy people (the 2 witnesses).

Rev 10 :1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs like pillars of fire. 2 He had a little scroll open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea, and his left foot on the land, 3 and called out with a loud voice, like a lion roaring. When he called out, the seven thunders sounded. 4 And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.” 5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven 6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay, 7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

The two passages you listed (Daniel 11:31-39 and Revelation 9:13-21) don't describe "angels 'swearing an oath to heaven' after the occurrence of the abomination".

The first passage is a part of an allegory about the end-times. If you want to know what exactly those verses are referring to you can find them here. Just scroll down to the allegory part where Daniel 11 is broken down verse-by-verse. The second one has to do with the sixth seal, which details what is happening right before Jesus returns. There was nothing mentioned about "swearing an oath to heaven" in either of these passages.



If this mighty angel was Jesus, why isn't it identified as such? Why are his words sealed up and not revealed? (Rev 10:4)

There is something hidden about this angel with an implication that the ‘mystery would be revealed’ (verse 7) at the 7th Trumpet (1260 days later after the 2 witnesses testify for those days to finish out the 2nd woe/ end the 6th Trumpet and begin the 7th Trumpet). Why is the mystery revealed at the 7th Trumpet? Because this angel will break the covenant 1260 days later at the 7th Trumpet.

You ask: if this this mighty angel is Jesus, why isn't he identified as such?" Yet, I just shared a color-coded proof to demonstrate that very fact. The mighty angel's words being sealed up doesn't mean he's not Jesus, it just means that they weren't meant for us to know before Jesus returns. You're equating the revealing of the Mystery of God with the breaking of the covenant, yet the text don't say that. It just says: "But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets."

Scriptures teaches us that this mystery is both the revelation of Jesus and the unveiling of what will happen in the end times, as denoted below:

"My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" -- Colossians 2:2-3​
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality." -- 1 Corinthians 15:51-53​
The first verse tells us that the revelation of Jesus is the Mystery of God, while the second passage connotates that the end times are also a part of this Mystery. We can be sure that this is what Revelation 10:7 is talking about because both of these were prophesied by God's servants prophets.



This angel swears an oath by heaven, earth, and the sea – Jesus explicitly says not to swear an oath by Heaven or earth, and that to do anything more is ‘from the evil one’. Here is Jesus talking:

Matthew 5:33 Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill your vows to the Lord.’ 34 But I tell you not to swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor should you swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.
So, Jesus explicitly says, ‘Don’t swear by heaven or by earth,’ and then you have an angel coming down making an oath/ swearing by God, the heavens, the earth, and the sea. Why would Jesus say, ‘Don’t swear by heaven and earth,’ and then come down and swear by heaven and earth and the sea in Revelation 10 when Jesus just said that swearing by heaven, earth, and even more so also the sea (which fits the criteria of 'anything more than swearing by heaven and earth is from the evil one'!)?

When Jesus tells us not to swear or make oaths in Matthew 5:33-37, he was giving us (imperfect/fallible humans) a command. It didn't apply to himself or God because they're one-and-the-same (i.e., perfect). This is why it's only proper for God to make oaths, because only He can make sure to follow though with them.



Let's take what you say at face value (which I am not sure I agree with, but for argument's sake): only God is allowed to make oaths - that doesn't mean that only God makes oaths!

Hosea 10:4 They speak mere words; with false oaths they make covenants. So judgment springs up like poisonous weeds in the furrows of a field.
And by your reasoning, since only God is allowed to make oaths, the Daniel 9:27 covenant can only be made by God/ Jesus. In other words, Dan 9:27 would not/ cannot be about the 'antichrist' but only about Jesus.

And the Hebrews 6 verse is just saying, God can't swear by a higher authority, so He swears by himself. Fairly straightforward.

Here is another way of putting it. When I say that only God can make oaths, I'm not saying only He is capable of making them. I'm saying that it is only morally permissible for Him to make them because He can be sure to follow though with them. We as humans are fallible and are prone to make errors. Not to mention, there are many things out of our control which can prevent us from following though with our word. So, this is why we need to be careful not to make an oath or swear. This doesn't mean the covenant made in Daniel 9:27 is made by God/Jesus. In fact, we know it wasn't because it will be broken, which is something God/Jesus wouldn't do.



On a side note, here's another confirmation that the mighty angel in Revelation 10 is Jesus. Looking back at the passage we're told that this mighty angel has a scroll, "which lay open in his hand," as demonstrated below:

"Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion." -- Revelation 10:1-3a​

Similarly, when we read of John's vision of the scroll in Revelation 5, we learn that only Jesus was worthy to open it, as demonstrated below:

"But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals... And they sang a new song, saying: 'You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.'” -- Revelation 5:3-5, 9​

So, when we read Revelation 10 and see that this mighty angel has a scroll, "which lay open in his hand," it's further clarification that this mighty angel is, in fact, Jesus himself.
 
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I primarily use the NIV translation when copy & pasting passages.
Thanks for sharing what translation you use. I use the kjv.

To help other readers, I think we all, including myself, should note that when we copy and paste a verse is put a notation of what translation at the end of the verse.

For example...

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. kjv
 
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In this particular instance, I don't believe the two separate Hebrew words used for the daily sacrifice denote two different historical contexts.
If you had seriously researched commentaries on Daniel 8, particularly older ones when Bible scholars were dedicated students of history, you would have learned that everything in Daniel 8 was fulfilled to the uttermost during the era of "the kings of Media and Persia." Dan. 8:20
 
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I appreciate you sharing this with me, but I genuinely can't keep delving into separate areas of discussion. Needless to say, I don't prescribe to your reasoning. I'm of the belief that different words can be used to describe the same thing, although I know that this isn't always the case, depending on the context. In this particular instance, I don't believe the two separate Hebrew words used for the daily sacrifice denote two different historical contexts. This is because of the overall prevailing patterned language shared between the passages. Rather, I believe that, together, they offer a fuller picture of one historical event to take place in the future.

If you'd like to know my stance on how the locusts related to end-time prophecy, you're just going to have to read my article, The Great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord, as it's too much for me to get into here.

*I had to delete some of you text if this quote due to post word-count limits*



























I appreciate you sharing this with me, but I genuinely can't keep delving into separate areas of discussion. Needless to say, I don't prescribe to your reasoning. I'm of the belief that different words can be used to describe the same thing, although I know that this isn't always the case, depending on the context. In this particular instance, I don't believe the two separate Hebrew words used for the daily sacrifice denote two different historical contexts. This is because of the overall prevailing patterned language shared between the passages. Rather, I believe that, together, they offer a fuller picture of one historical event to take place in the future.

If you'd like to know my stance on how the locusts related to end-time prophecy, you're just going to have to read my article, The Great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord, as it's too much for me to get into here.

*I had to delete some of you text if this quote due to post word-count limits*
I already know you think it is one event. And you haven't posted anything proving that tamid is the same as zebach.

If you can't explain what the 'locusts' are and what they are doing in 2 sentences, it's probably not worth my time reading an entire post about some convoluted explanation.

The two passages you listed (Daniel 11:31-39 and Revelation 9:13-21) don't describe "angels 'swearing an oath to heaven' after the occurrence of the abomination".

The first passage is a part of an allegory about the end-times. If you want to know what exactly those verses are referring to you can find them here. Just scroll down to the allegory part where Daniel 11 is broken down verse-by-verse. The second one has to do with the sixth seal, which details what is happening right before Jesus returns. There was nothing mentioned about "swearing an oath to heaven" in either of these passages.
That's not what I wrote. What I wrote is: "Both are angels 'swearing an oath to heaven' after the occurrence of the abomination (Dan 11:31-39) and Rev 9:13-21, respectively. Both are in the context of 'time, times, half a time'/ 1260 days of the holy people (the 2 witnesses)."

The angels are swearing oaths AFTER the appearance of the abomination.

Dan 11:31 is the abomination placed by the forces of the despicable person. (The 'locusts' are the 'forces' that place the abomination.) THEN comes the angel swearing an oath to heaven in Dan 12:7.

Dan 12:7 comes after Dan 11:31, yes?

Because the 'locusts' are cutting off the 'daily'/ tamid (Joel 1:4-9), the events at the start of the 6th Trumpet (Revelation 9:13-21) parallel Daniel 11:31-39 (the 'forces of the despicable person place the abomination'). THEN the 'mighty angel' swears an oath to heaven in Revelation 10:5-6.

Rev 10:5-6 comes after Revelation 9:13-21, yes?

The 'man in linen' is the 'mighty angel'.

The 'holy people' of Dan 12:7 are the same 'holy people' as the 2 witnesses in Rev 11.

Dan 12:7And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”

is the same as this:

Rev 10:5And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven 6and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,​

Rev 11:3And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

That timeframe of 1260 days (time, times, half time) is right before the 7th Trumpet. Revelation 9:13-21 is happening right before this 1260 days. It is not happening at the 6th Seal as you assert.

You're equating the revealing of the Mystery of God with the breaking of the covenant, yet the text don't say that. It just says: "But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets."

Scriptures teaches us that this mystery is both the revelation of Jesus and the unveiling of what will happen in the end times, as denoted below:


"My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" -- Colossians 2:2-3

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality." -- 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
Glad you agree that the 7th Trumpet is where the 'mystery is finished'. Of course, the 7th Trumpet is where the covenant is broken: even if you won't accept that swearing an oath is how the covenant is confirmed, what does the 'rainbow' of Revelation 10:1 symbolize?

Rev 10:1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs like pillars of fire.​

Genesis 9:13 I have set My rainbow in the clouds, and it will be a sign of the covenant between Me and the earth.​

Here is another way of putting it. When I say that only God can make oaths, I'm not saying only He is capable of making them. I'm saying that it is only morally permissible for Him to make them because He can be sure to follow though with them. We as humans are fallible and are prone to make errors. Not to mention, there are many things out of our control which can prevent us from following though with our word. So, this is why we need to be careful not to make an oath or swear. This doesn't mean the covenant made in Daniel 9:27 is made by God/Jesus. In fact, we know it wasn't because it will be broken, which is something God/Jesus wouldn't do.
Huh?
Yes, the false messiah confirms the covenant of Dan 9:27. Revelation 10:5-6 is where this occurs.

So, when we read Revelation 10 and see that this mighty angel has a scroll, "which lay open in his hand," it's further clarification that this mighty angel is, in fact, Jesus himself.

The scroll has the covenant written on it. That is what explains the punishments for disobedience. It is this from Zech 5.

Zech 5:1Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! 2And he said to me, “What do you see?” I answered, “I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.”a 3Then he said to me, “This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole land. For everyone who steals shall be cleaned out according to what is on one side, and everyone who swears falsely shall be cleaned out according to what is on the other side. 4I will send it out, declares the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter the house of the thief, and the house of him who swears falsely by my name. And it shall remain in his house and consume it, both timber and stones.”​

The 7 bowls of wrath at the 7th Trumpet are the punishment for the breaking of this covenant being given in Rev 10:5-6. That angel is 'swearing falsely' and will be punished. It is in the context of the abomination in Jerusalem which then leaves and travels to 'Mystery Babylon', aka 'Shinar'.

Zech 5:5Then the angel who talked with me came forward and said to me, “Lift your eyes and see what this is that is going out.” 6And I said, “What is it?” He said, “This is the basketc that is going out.” And he said, “This is their iniquityd in all the land.” 7And behold, the leaden cover was lifted, and there was a woman sitting in the basket! 8And he said, “This is Wickedness.” And he thrust her back into the basket, and thrust down the leaden weight on its opening.​
9Then I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, two women coming forward! The wind was in their wings. They had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven. 10Then I said to the angel who talked with me, “Where are they taking the basket?” 11He said to me, “To the land of Shinar, to build a house for it. And when this is prepared, they will set the basket down there on its base.”​
 
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