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Graham Platner faces growing calls to withdraw following allegation of sexual assault

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In June, The New York Times published accounts from three women who previously had romantic relationships with Platner, and characterized his behavior as "unsettling." They described how Platner could be demeaning toward women, and in one instance, physically threatening.
The woman who accused Platner of assault in the Politico story was included in the Times piece, but did not include the specific assault allegation there.

How long will they stay with this guy?
 

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In June, The New York Times published accounts from three women who previously had romantic relationships with Platner, and characterized his behavior as "unsettling." They described how Platner could be demeaning toward women, and in one instance, physically threatening.
The woman who accused Platner of assault in the Politico story was included in the Times piece, but did not include the specific assault allegation there.

How long will they stay with this guy?
Right up until the most recent one which has just broken today. Those of us who supported him originally do not now. You reach a point where you concede that some of his actions were unacceptable. He must remove himself from the race. Any nonsensical excuses for him that you might hear, like 'Hey, we're not voting for a pastor' are, as I'm sure you'll agree, nonsensical.

Gee, I hope this doesn't put you in a difficult position...
 
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Seems like the latest accusation is pretty serious


A woman said Monday that Graham Platner, the Democratic nominee for US Senate in Maine, entered her home without permission and raped her while he was heavily intoxicated nearly five years ago when they were in a casual dating relationship – an allegation Platner denies.

She said she did not have a political motive to come forward with her story. She said she is a registered Democratic voter who supports many of Platner’s views.

“I really agree with his politics. I think we need someone with those political stances,” she said, adding that her shared political views were one reason she didn’t come forward sooner.
 

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Seems like the latest accusation is pretty serious


A woman said Monday that Graham Platner, the Democratic nominee for US Senate in Maine, entered her home without permission and raped her while he was heavily intoxicated nearly five years ago when they were in a casual dating relationship – an allegation Platner denies.

She said she did not have a political motive to come forward with her story. She said she is a registered Democratic voter who supports many of Platner’s views.

“I really agree with his politics. I think we need someone with those political stances,” she said, adding that her shared political views were one reason she didn’t come forward sooner.
And it's sad that because she shared some political views was one reason she didn't come forward sooner.
 

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And it's sad that because she shared some political views was one reason she didn't come forward sooner.
Yeah. It's terrible that people can overlook someone's character, especially when it comes to women, just because of a political affiliation. It's almost like they think 'Well, we're not voting for a pastor'.

The irony! It hurts! Please, make it stop!
 
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Yeah. It's terrible that people can overlook someone's character, especially when it comes to women, just because of a political affiliation. It's almost like they think 'Well, we're not voting for a pastor'.

The irony! It hurts! Please, make it stop!
Poor Kathleen WIlley.
 
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Platner needs to drop and not Joe Biden this.
He already has "Joe Biden"ed this.

Both he and Biden had public reasons to abandon their campaign prior to the primary and didn't. Both face withdrawals in the July before the election.
 
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Poor Kathleen WIlley.
Indeed. Got any other examples? Or is this going to be, as we all knew it would be, a one sided complaint about politicians. In which case we'll be moving from irony to hypocrisy.
 
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I'm at a total loss as regards your complete and utter inability to acknowledge the faults of those you support whilst demanding others should uphold standards which you clearly do not consider apply to you.

If I was still supporting Platner following very credible accusations of sexual assault, using such monstrously idiotic claims such as people aren't voting for a pastor, then I would not go anywhere near any threads about Trump's sexual comments and actual assaults because I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Any complaints I made about Trump would show me to be a complete hypocrite and you'd be fully entitled to level that accusation at me.

Please explain to us all why the reverse is not applicable.
 
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I'm at a total loss as regards your complete and utter inability to acknowledge the faults of those you support whilst demanding others should uphold standards which you clearly do not consider apply to you.

If I was still supporting Platner following very credible accusations of sexual assault, using such monstrously idiotic claims such as people aren't voting for a pastor, then I would not go anywhere near any threads about Trump's sexual comments and actual assaults because I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Any complaints I made about Trump would show me to be a complete hypocrite and you'd be fully entitled to level that accusation at me.

Please explain to us all why the reverse is not applicable.

While your post was obviously a reply to another user, I'll still chime in here...

I assume what you're referring to are the accusations of sexual assault that were levied against Trump, and the double-standard employed by many of his followers considering his situation juxtaposed against that of the stance they take against Platner.

The standard of "dump 'em and cut bait if they have these kinds of serious skeletons in the closet" isn't so clear cut when the perceptions of high stakes/"high risk if we lose" are in play.

In the case of a Maine senate seat, the stakes aren't very high at all, so it's easy for Democrats to refuse to support Platner and just let Susan Collins have this one. For all intents and purposes, Susan Collins would be running as a Democrat in most other states with her policy positions anyway.

Collins is pro-choice, pro-environment, pro gay rights, pro ACA, pro-Dreamers/immigration, has good ratings from the HRC on LGBT issues, is okay with legal pot, gets a decent rating from the NAACP, and votes against Trump well over half the time. Nothing catastrophic to the Democratic agenda is going to happen if she wins.

There's relatively little risk in taking a principled consistent stance and calling for Platner to remove himself and letting Collins win this one... Democrats and Independents in the state will get most of what they want either way.


However, if someone like Ron DeSantis was running as the Republican in Maine, do you think for a moment Democrats would say "Platner should just drop out of the race, I won't support him because of his infractions, even if means DeSantis gets to win this one"? Not a chance...
 

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While your post was obviously a reply to another user, I'll still chime in here...

I assume what you're referring to are the accusations of sexual assault that were levied against Trump, and the double-standard employed by many of his followers considering his situation juxtaposed against that of the stance they take against Platner.

The standard of "dump 'em and cut bait if they have these kinds of serious skeletons in the closet" isn't so clear cut when the perceptions of high stakes/"high risk if we lose" are in play.
Utterly irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Couldn't actually be more irrelevant. If someone has been found to have committed sexual assault on a woman then they are to be cut loose. They cannot be supported. In Platner's case it hasn't been found, beyond reasonable doubt, that he assaulted a woman. But there is enough doubt that he must recuse himself. There's no two ways about this whatsoever. And it doesn't matter if the guy is running for local dog catcher or the senate or for president.

And what you are actually saying is emphasising my complaint. That because one person is seen as having more importance to those who are trying to excuse them then it becomes more acceptable to ignore what they have done. In what universe are you living in when a double standard ceases to become hypocritical because the man who has assaulted the woman is deemed more important to some people? So if the stakes are higher then the bar is set lower?

'A guy in your office just touched me inappropriately'
'What's that, hon? Point him out. I'll teach him a lesson he won't forget!
'It's the guy in the blue suit'
'Oh. Look, let's just forget about it. I'm sure my boss didn't mean anything by it'.

Are you actually being serious?
 
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