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I 100% agree with that sentiment! The only downside is minimizing the linkage between crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and Paraclete. Like these things all had to happen in this order for the plan of salvation to be accomplished.

I've always thought of and treated Pentecost as its own season. The RCL begins counting the Sundays of Ordinary Time from Pentecost. The liturgical color shifts to red. The focus is the Spirit for a week.

I see Deegie's point more in the one year lectionary, where the summer and autumn Sundays are counted from Trinity rather than Pentecost. Even there, Pentecost gets red in modern times.

I'm not scheduled anywhere for Pentecost this year, which is a shame because it's one of my favorite Sundays to preach.

I actually really like both approaches. The approach @Deegie mentions is very Byzantine actually - the book covering the hymns in the Byzantine Rite from Easter Sunday to All Saints Day (the Sunday after Pentecost) and usually a few Sundays past that point is called the Pentecostarion (it is also sometimes called the Flowery Triodion but this is a misnomer as it does not contain any hymns of the kind called a “triode” unlike the Triodion, which is the service book used from Septuagesima through Holy Saturday (Easter Even).

The approach mentioned by @Shane R on the other hand strikes me as more Western and also Syriac. Historically in several churches starting in the 1920s the first half of the period from Pentecost until Advent was called “the season of Pentecost” and the second half, the following season was called “Kingdomtide,” with red vestments worn during the former and green during the latter.

Now in the Byzantine Rite it might surprise some of you to know that green vestments are used on Pentecost and just as the Nativity and Baptism of our Lord are celebrated together in the Armenian liturgy, in the Byzantine liturgy Pentecost is also Trinity Sunday. And indeed this year due to Julian/Gregorian calendar, it fell on Western Trinitarian Sunday. The churches are also decorated with greenery everywhere, which is also something the Jews do on the feast of Pentecost. The greenery is regarded as symbolizing new life and the tongues of fire descending on the Apostles.

The West Syriac Rite (which is used by the Mar Thoma Syrian Church, a member of the Anglican communion, and by the Malankara Independent Syrian Church, a Syriac Orthodox jurisdiction in full communion with the Mar Thoma Syrian Church, which is fascinating because the latter is otherwise completely Oriental Orthodox) also uses greenery on this feast and indeed during the three kneeling prayers (a common feature of Eastern liturgies on Pentecost) the presbyter will take soaked palm fronds, which have been soaked to within an inch of their life, and recreationally splash the congregation with them. I say recreationally because this is not the sprinlking of the asperges but something that is intentionally enjoyed by the people, a deliberate and intense splashing, with the presbyter going after his friends with particular vigor. I was delighted when I saw this in person for the first time in 2013.

It is then followed after church with the delightful tradition of Christians from the Levant throwing water on each other. And everyone does it, so the entire congregation is reduced to what amounts to a water fight like kids in a pool (or wielding water balloons or Super Soakers) in celebration of the descent of the Holy Spirit. This is particularly a delight in places where it is quite hot, such as the Middle East and the Southwestern US. I would imagine that among the Syriac Christians living down under a bit more restraint is used at this service particularly in those places where it gets chilly, such as the Alps of Southern New Zealand.

Now despite all of what I have described, the atmosphere during the church service itself is still reverent, oddly enough. I have no idea how that works but it does. But afterwards with the active splashing and throwing water on people it definitely is not reverent. But there’s a certain apostolic joy in it.

That said its probably one of those cultural customs that is very rite-specific and should not be foisted upon the unexpecting; most Anglicans I’ve met would be at least somewhat displeased if a fellow church-goer were to creep up behind them and without warning splash them with water on the feast of Whitsunday!
 
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The church was more than half full today between one of the members celebrating her 90th birthday and having most of the extended family in and people coming in for family reunions around our National Holiday. Many of them had never heard me before and some had never seen me before. I got so many compliments on my sermon that my ego has been stroked for at least a fortnight. And I went back to the old Service Book & Hymnal (1958) that a lot of them grew up with for the Collect and one or two other ideas. I find people, especially older folks, appreciate that when there's a special service.
 
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It's something I notice as a difference between America and here. In America, people go to church together when they have family gatherings; in Australia family gatherings pull people away from church.
 
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It's something I notice as a difference between America and here. In America, people go to church together when they have family gatherings; in Australia family gatherings pull people away from church.
I remember when my family went to Mass in a small town that was few miles away about 7-8 years ago, many attended Church because a couple had their wedding anniversary (I think they were an elderly couple married for 70+ years), then had a celebration in the parish hall.

The same goes for the so-called C&E Christians AKA Christmas & Easer Christians who only go to Church for Christmas, Easter, or other holidays.

It's a "family affair" so to speak.

from experience
 
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In honor of the 250th birthday of the US, our parish had a service that followed the 1789 Book of Common Prayer, which was the first BCP created for the new nation. Prayers for the king had to go, of course, but there were other changes too, partly due to influences from the Scottish liturgy.

It was an interesting step into the past. Much more Protestant than I'm used to, as the Oxford Movement was still half a century away -- no processional, no sign of the cross during blessings and absolution, minimal altar hangings. Our priest, who was raised in a Reformed church, got to channel his inner Presbyterian. :)

Happy birthday to the US, and to the Episcopal Church which, amazingly, survived the American revolution!
 
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In honor of the 250th birthday of the US, our parish had a service that followed the 1789 Book of Common Prayer, which was the first BCP created for the new nation. Prayers for the king had to go, of course, but there were other changes too, partly due to influences from the Scottish liturgy.

It was an interesting step into the past. Much more Protestant than I'm used to, as the Oxford Movement was still half a century away -- no processional, no sign of the cross during blessings and absolution, minimal altar hangings. Our priest, who was raised in a Reformed church, got to channel his inner Presbyterian. :)

Happy birthday to the US, and to the Episcopal Church which, amazingly, survived the American revolution!
I would love to see that! Sounds quite interesting.
 
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When I was in college, at one point the staff organised a series of services that were, "this is what it would have been like at x point in history." Over a semester or so we basically experienced how the liturgy had evolved, which was really interesting.

And a good reminder that what we tend to think is "the way we've always done things" is very seldom, in fact, the way we've always done things!
 
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When I was in college, at one point the staff organised a series of services that were, "this is what it would have been like at x point in history." Over a semester or so we basically experienced how the liturgy had evolved, which was really interesting.

And a good reminder that what we tend to think is "the way we've always done things" is very seldom, in fact, the way we've always done things!
I would love to see that and older liturgies! I’m a bit of a liturgical geek like that ;) how fascinating!
 
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I've forgotten a lot of the details. What I remember most clearly was that there was an awful lot of kneeling. Our forebears were apparently much more comfortable spending lots of time on their knees, than we are!
 
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As my pastor used to cynically say "They were the good old days!" - you know, scrubbing boards, wringers, kneeling on a stone floor in church, scrubbing the floor, scything the grass, the boiler for the clothes (we had one when I was young - my mother swore it got the clothes cleaner than any washing machine), pushing up the clothes line fully loaded etc.
 
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our parish had a service that followed the 1789 Book of Common Prayer,
I've seen much LARPing in the Continuing churches but never that. Although I know a couple of blokes who might like to try it. Of course, they'd insist it would need to be in surplice and hood or maybe surplice and cope and celebration from the North End.

"the way we've always done things" is very seldom, in fact, the way we've always done things!
I have observed the same. Generally, that expression only seems to cover the last 60 years or so. I was having that conversation yesterday about the way many Americans think Lutheran pastors vest (including the pastors). Most don't seem to have a read a book on the subject written before 1970 or even have asked the question of the oldest people in the congregation.
 
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I've seen much LARPing in the Continuing churches but never that. Although I know a couple of blokes who might like to try it. Of course, they'd insist it would need to be in surplice and hood or maybe surplice and cope and celebration from the North End.

I haven't learned all of the technical terms for vestments, but the priest's vestments this past Sunday included an academic hood and what I think is called preaching bands, the kind of collar I associate with Presbyterians of centuries past.

He did indeed celebrate from the North End.
 
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I haven't learned all of the technical terms for vestments, but the priest's vestments this past Sunday included an academic hood and what I think is called preaching bands, the kind of collar I associate with Presbyterians of centuries past.

He did indeed celebrate from the North End.
It's my understanding the clerical collar AKA Roman collar began in Presbyterianism. I found that really interesting!

(pointing in fellowship)
 
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The 119th Psalm is in the lectionary this week. Every preacher has certain texts they get excited over. Psalm 119 always perks me up when I see it in the lectionary. The selection is Psalm 119:129-136, the pe section.
129 Right wonderful thy decrees are, hard to read, and well my heart heeds them. 130 Revelation and light thy words disclose to the simple. 131 Rises ever a sigh from my lips as I long after thy covenant. 132 Regard and pity me, as thou hast pity for all that love thy name. 133 Rule thou my path as thou hast promised; never be wrong-doing my master. 134 Rescue me from man’s oppression, to wait henceforth on thy bidding. 135 Restore to thy servant the smile of thy living favour, and teach him to know thy will. 136 Rivers of tears flow from my eyes, to see thy law forgotten.​
The Knox Bible is the only English version I am aware of which maintains the acrostic structure of the Psalm.
 
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We're off-lectionary, because the dean has decided he likes to do sermon series working his way through books of Scripture, and his current choice is Daniel. So today I'll be preaching on Daniel 3.
 
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