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Walz post calling SCOTUS girls' sports ruling 'cruel' backfires online as critics reveal what's even crueler

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Now, more than half of the states in the U.S. are empowered to enforce the protection of women's sports without fear of a legal challenge.
However, there are still 23 states, including California, New York and Massachusetts, that don't have any such laws, and some of those have laws to protect trans athletes in girls' sports.

No surprises here.
 
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Now, more than half of the states in the U.S. are empowered to enforce the persecution of transwomen in sports without fear of a legal challenge. Transgendered children have too few rights.

Fortunately however, there are still 23 states, including California, New York and Massachusetts, that don't have any such laws, and some of those have laws to protect trans athletes in girls' sports. That's something but not enough.

It's good to see that this isn't being framed as is too often the case as grown men competing with little girls.
 
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It's good to see that this isn't being framed as is too often the case as grown men competing with little girls.
I've never seen this issue being framed as grown men competing against little girls.
Honestly, in my humble opinion letting biological males to take the spots for women in HS and Collegiate sports is truly Insane.
Women should not be deprived of losing their spot on an athletic sports teams because a biological male desires to compete against women.
 
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I've never seen this issue being framed as grown men competing against little girls.
Honestly, in my humble opinion letting biological males to take the spots for women in HS and Collegiate sports is truly Insane.
Women should not be deprived of losing their spot on an athletic sports teams because a biological male desires to compete against women.
Aw come on, give guys who do much better competing against girls and like hanging out in girl's locker rooms a chance.
 
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I've never seen this issue being framed as grown men competing against little girls.
Honestly, in my humble opinion letting biological males to take the spots for women in HS and Collegiate sports is truly Insane.
Women should not be deprived of losing their spot on an athletic sports teams because a biological male desires to compete against women.
I see this as a win for women! About time something is done!
 
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Now, more than half of the states in the U.S. are empowered to enforce the persecution of transwomen in sports without fear of a legal challenge. Transgendered children have too few rights.

Fortunately however, there are still 23 states, including California, New York and Massachusetts, that don't have any such laws, and some of those have laws to protect trans athletes in girls' sports. That's something but not enough.

It's good to see that this isn't being framed as is too often the case as grown men competing with little girls.
Well? I can understand both sides. Regardless of how one feels about identity, biology still matters.

If sports are so important to them, they can make their own team instead of bullying girls who worked so hard. It’s just so, so unfair to them. On one hand, it makes thinks difficult if that occurred.

My opinion only.

(Not debating morality, just fairness to women)

With that said, absolutely NO ONE should be bullied because of their gender identity, sexual orientation , disability, race, religion etc. no bullying, period.

I DO wish there was a fair compromise that would make BOTH sides happy, but I don’t know the answer.

There’s so much gray area. It’s not so black and white. Imo.
 
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Well? I can understand both sides. Regardless of how one feels about identity, biology still matters.
How much do you know about biology? How much does puberty affect the expression of masculine and feminine traits?
If sports are so important to them, they can make their own team instead of bullying girls who worked so hard. It’s just so, so unfair to them. On one hand, it makes thinks difficult if that occurred.
Just how many transgendered children are there in each school district of each age group do you think there are? But sure, let each one play solo on competitions.

Chances are extremely high that it is the transgendered child who is getting bullied, if not by school mates, then by the school mates' parents and outside busybodies and agitators such as Rufo.
My opinion only.

(Not debating morality, just fairness to women)
If a transwoman never went through male puberty but was instead treated with lady hormones and was still on lady hormones, how much advantage do you really think they have?

Fairness to women should be balanced with fairness to transgendered people, my opinion only, as a person.
With that said, absolutely NO ONE should be bullied because of their gender identity, sexual orientation , disability, race, religion etc. no bullying, period.
Agreed!
I DO wish there was a fair compromise that would make BOTH sides happy, but I don’t know the answer.
I think there are more than just two sides - there is a faction that would like to stamp out transgendered people from society altogether. Sadly, as a tiny badly understood minority, they make attractive targets.
There’s so much gray area. It’s not so black and white. Imo.
Yep, mostly shades of gray.
 
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We were at the National Aquarium a couple weeks ago (it’s fun on Father’s Day), looking over the big reef tank, when one of the docents (or whatever they’re called at the aquarium) started chatting us up. One of the facts he dropped was how some sharks can switch sexes (IIRC, F to M) in single-sex environments. I responded, “oh, just like T-rex.”

Both the docent and my wife thought I was being serious.

But anyways, it’s hardly unheard of in nature.
 
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Now, more than half of the states in the U.S. are empowered to enforce the protection of women's sports without fear of a legal challenge.
However, there are still 23 states, including California, New York and Massachusetts, that don't have any such laws, and some of those have laws to protect trans athletes in girls' sports.

No surprises here.
This split between states really raises some questions for me. Do not girls' sports team not ever play other states, such as in national conferences? If that happens (not sure...I had academics, not sports girls), what occurs when a team of all girls is scheduled to play a team that allows biological males to play?
 
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How much do you know about biology? How much does puberty affect the expression of masculine and feminine traits?

Just how many transgendered children are there in each school district of each age group do you think there are? But sure, let each one play solo on competitions.

Chances are extremely high that it is the transgendered child who is getting bullied, if not by school mates, then by the school mates' parents and outside busybodies and agitators such as Rufo.

If a transwoman never went through male puberty but was instead treated with lady hormones and was still on lady hormones, how much advantage do you really think they have?

Fairness to women should be balanced with fairness to transgendered people, my opinion only, as a person.

Agreed!

I think there are more than just two sides - there is a faction that would like to stamp out transgendered people from society altogether. Sadly, as a tiny badly understood minority, they make attractive targets.

Yep, mostly shades of gray.
I think it’s best just to leave children alone and let adult make their own decisions. Beyond that, I remain truly skeptical. I know enough basic biology.

Peace
 
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We were at the National Aquarium a couple weeks ago (it’s fun on Father’s Day), looking over the big reef tank, when one of the docents (or whatever they’re called at the aquarium) started chatting us up. One of the facts he dropped was how some sharks can switch sexes (IIRC, F to M) in single-sex environments. I responded, “oh, just like T-rex.”

Both the docent and my wife thought I was being serious.

But anyways, it’s hardly unheard of in nature.
I think the same with clownfish if memory recalls.
 
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I think it’s best just to leave children alone and let adult make their own decisions. Beyond that, I remain truly skeptical. I know enough basic biology.
Children can't raise themselves very well. If the child thinks/knows/realizes that they are transgendered then it is not a decision let alone a decision for someone else to make on their behalf. In the best case, the adult will advise and support their child's decision - and yes, of course, their is a range in age of 'children' and their relevant competency.
And peace be unto you.
 
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How much do you know about biology? How much does puberty affect the expression of masculine and feminine traits?
I would assume it affects it the same way it has throughout human history.
Fairness to women should be balanced with fairness to transgendered people, my opinion only, as a person.
Why? A woman was born a female and a man was born a male. Fairness to women should be paramount to Fairness to males in womens spaces.
 
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Children can't raise themselves very well. If the child thinks/knows/realizes that they are transgendered then it is not a decision let alone a decision for someone else to make on their behalf. In the best case, the adult will advise and support their child's decision - and yes, of course, their is a range in age of 'children' and their relevant competency.

And peace be unto you.
Ok. I think all people should be treated with fairness and compassion. I have nothing further to add.

Take care
 
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I would assume it affects it the same way it has throughout human history.
IOW, almost nothing.
Why? A woman was born a female and a man was born a male.
And a female is not born a woman nor a male a man.
Fairness to women should be paramount to Fairness to males in womens spaces.
School children are not yet men and women; they are still developing.
 
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And a female is not born a woman nor a male a man.
That goes without saying. I agree. Whether you are a child or an adult you were born male or female. Woman and man are simply a typical reference to adult males or females. So I have to admit I am not sure what you arw trying to get at.
School children are not yet men and women; they are still developing.
I was responding to your post where you mentioned women. In response to the above text, in my mind it makes little difference. I have always conceeded where it comes to young children, boys and girls participating together in sports really isn't an issue for the most part. Often there isn't as much of a physical ability difference. But that really has nothing to do with the topic, which isn't really about young children playing sports together. As you mention in your other post we are referring to women, or even young women and teens where the sports have been divided for a reason. The reason being fairness because at that point males have the distinct advantage. That really can't be denied.
 
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That goes without saying.
Yeah, I wish. Too often this is framed as "men" and "girls". I'm glad you are not one of those.
I agree. Whether you are a child or an adult you were born male or female.
Unless you weren't. Most likely, you were BUT it is not universal.
Woman and man are simply a typical reference to adult males or females. So I have to admit I am not sure what you arw trying to get at.
We're talking about children's sports. Children are not men and women - they are in transition as hormones affect their gene expression to greater and lesser degrees throughout puberty (and later adulthood and later still senescence).
I was responding to your post where you mentioned women.
Oops, sorry, you're right.
In response to the above text, in my mind it makes little difference. I have always conceeded where it comes to young children, boys and girls participating together in sports really isn't an issue for the most part. Often there isn't as much of a physical ability difference.
Agreed.
But that really has nothing to do with the topic, which isn't really about young children playing sports together. As you mention in your other post we are referring to women, or even young women and teens where the sports have been divided for a reason. The reason being fairness because at that point males have the distinct advantage.
That's just my point: if the person doesn't go through regular puberty because of puberty blockers and instead go through opposite sex puberty by way of hormone therapy really do not have that advantage. If they maintain the hormone levels - which are tested before competitions at certain levels - the sexual advantage disappears. I am not talking about "a man in a dress".
That really can't be denied.
Well...
 
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Children can't raise themselves very well. If the child thinks/knows/realizes that they are transgendered then it is not a decision let alone a decision for someone else to make on their behalf. In the best case, the adult will advise and support their child's decision - and yes, of course, their is a range in age of 'children' and their relevant competency.

And peace be unto you.
No child ever stated he was transgender, until the term was widely spread in schools in recent years.
 
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No child ever stated he was transgender, until the term was widely spread in schools in recent years.
How disingenuous! Children speak in childish terms and "transgender" is a clinical term. And shouldn't that be "he or she"?
 
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How disingenuous! Children speak in childish terms and "transgender" is a clinical term. And shouldn't that be "he or she"?
Not disingenuous at all.
How disingenuous! Children speak in childish terms and "transgender" is a clinical term. And shouldn't that be "he or she"?
Not remotely disingenuous. It's the truth. It's a social contagion that - unremarkably -is reducing now. The term has only been in use a couple decades at most.

"A sharp decline in Gen Z Americans identifying as transgender and queer has occurred, from 6.8% identifying as a gender other than male or female in 2023 compared to 3.6% stating so in 2025, according to a report.

The report’s author, professor of Politics Eric Kaufmann, told The Center Square he thinks this drop in transgender young people “signals one of the first shifts away from progressive non-conformity of lifestyle and self-expression in 60 years.”

A reduction by half. "Interestingly, as Kaufmann wrote on X, “freshmen in 2024-25 were less trans and queer than seniors whereas it was the reverse when BTQ+ identity was surging in 2022-23,” suggesting that “gender/sexual non-conformity will continue to fall.” There are many other sources reporting the same.

 
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