The Declaration of Independence

Danthemailman · Friday at 7:03 AM

Valletta said:
In socialism and communism the government controls the people. To me the most important think in our founding document is the recognition that our rights come from God. The United States will last as long as there are enough God-fearing people in our country.

“If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be one nation gone under.”

"Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom, and then lost it, have never known it again."

Ronald Reagan

Fantine · Friday at 8:52 AM

Belk said:
President Trump is nowhere near close to being a king. (This was said by Valleta, not Belk, sorry.)

You may be right. I don't know any kings who pull in two billion from suing the governments they lead for ten billion, plastering their trademark on money, passports, buildings; suing media gor telling the truth and exposing his corruption. Accepting lavish gifts of planes and charging taxpayers $400 million to renovated it....
Maybe grifter would be a better description.
Or emperor wannabe with eyes on Greenland, Cuba, Venezuela...

essentialsaltes · Friday at 9:04 AM

Vambram said:
IMO, all of what you disagree with was done lawfully.

On the one hand, courts have ruled that some of those things were done unlawfully by Trump, e.g. the treatment of certain immigrants.

On the other hand, the Stamp Act was done lawfully, as were other acts of the King. That made it no less objectionable to the Founders.

Belk · Friday at 11:54 AM

Fantine said:
You may be right. I don't know any kings who pull in two billion from suing the governments they lead for ten billion, plastering their trademark on money, passports, buildings; suing media gor telling the truth and exposing his corruption. Accepting lavish gifts of planes and charging taxpayers $400 million to renovated it....
Maybe grifter would be a better description.
Or emperor wannabe with eyes on Greenland, Cuba, Venezuela...

I think you incorrectly attributed Valleta's post to me.

Vambram · Friday at 3:45 PM

Pommer · Friday at 4:28 PM

Vambram said:
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Wonderful first attempt at “art”.

comana · Friday at 4:46 PM

Vambram said:
President Trump is nowhere close to being a king. If he was a king, then the Congress and the SCOTUS would not be able to restrict or restrain anything that President Trump does. He ain't nowhere even close to being a king.

Not for lack of trying and those checks on him are the only thing stopping him. The negative response to the SC ruling on birthright citizenship also shows he’d have support from people disappointed he can’t overrule the Constitution via executive order.

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 4:53 PM

No better way to celebrate America than with some patriotic ai slop.

Pommer · Friday at 4:59 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
No better way to celebrate America than with some patriotic ai slop.

The “star field” on top seems to have suffered, the flag on the left field (atop the “olive? branch) is, at best, an impressionist’s interpretation of Old Glory. (Also why does it need more than one flag?)

Desk trauma · Friday at 5:00 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
No better way to celebrate America than with some patriotic ai slop.

The 11 stars comes up in multiple examples of slop. Wonder if it’s writing off two colonies or the clanker catching triskaidekaphobia?

Desk trauma · Friday at 5:06 PM

Pommer said:
The “star field” on top seems to have suffered, the flag on the left field (atop the “olive? branch) is, at best, an impressionist’s interpretation of Old Glory. (Also why does it need more than one flag?)

Clanker screwed up the eagles talons over the 2 as well.

Fantine · Friday at 5:33 PM

Belk said:
I think you incorrectly attributed Valleta's post to me.

Oh, I'm not great when using the phone. I will change.

Vambram · Friday at 6:21 PM

I'm not surprised that some people here are against patriotic artwork that is being sold at Wal-Mart.

Desk trauma · Friday at 8:14 PM

Vambram said:
I'm not surprised that some people here are against patriotic artwork that is being sold at Wal-Mart.

Speak no ill of the patriotic slop!

Fantine · Friday at 8:34 PM

In the past few years, I've seen pictures of the Statue of Liberty weeping, and the Statue of Liberty covering her eyes.

Is that what's wrong with the Wal-Mart art? That it doesn't show our sorrow and shame as we not only shut the doors on refugees fleeing persecution (except for those poor white South Africans, of course) but also send them back to countries where they will be murdered because the president doesn't like people from the third world (he called them _______countries.)

GoldenBoy89 · Friday at 9:10 PM

Vambram said:
I'm not surprised that some people here are against patriotic artwork that is being sold at Wal-Mart.

I’m not surprised they’re selling this junk at Walmart.

At least we can no longer say it’s “made in China”.

ViaCrucis · Friday at 10:54 PM

Vambram said:
President Trump is nowhere close to being a king. If he was a king, then the Congress and the SCOTUS would not be able to restrict or restrain anything that President Trump does. He ain't nowhere even close to being a king.

"If he was a king, then the Congress and the SCOTUS would not be able to restrict or restrain anything that President Trump does."

Here I am, observing the failure of both Congress and the Supreme Court, to restrict and restrain Trump.

The Supreme Court has gutted the Voting Rights act, in service to Donald.
Congress, with a Republican majority, acts as Donald's rubber stamp for just about whatever he wants.

While the courts have attempted to curb Donald's absolutely insane unconstitutional actions--the Supreme Court, packed with Trumpist sycophants and loyalist cronies, has been systematically at work to undermine democracy in favor of the Trumpist regime.

So this comment of yours--not exactly the brilliant argument against "Trump as king"--when the people in power are actively doing obeisance to the mad king rather than using their constitutional powers to rein him in--it amounts to monarchy by any other name.

Let me ask you, if Donald Trump tries to run in 2028 and violate the 22nd Amendment, will you do your civic duty and oppose that act, or will you genuflect before the will of Donald Trump even though it violates the 22nd Amendment.

Are your civic loyalties to the Constitution and the Republic, or to Donald Trump?

In this above question, there are only two possible answers. Any attempt to dodge or deflect will be interpreted as cowardice to being honest.

durangodawood · Friday at 10:56 PM

Vambram said:
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Eek. The eagle has 4 finger-talons on one side.

Vambram · Friday at 11:24 PM

ViaCrucis said:
"If he was a king, then the Congress and the SCOTUS would not be able to restrict or restrain anything that President Trump does."

Here I am, observing the failure of both Congress and the Supreme Court, to restrict and restrain Trump.

The Supreme Court has gutted the Voting Rights act, in service to Donald.
Congress, with a Republican majority, acts as Donald's rubber stamp for just about whatever he wants.

While the courts have attempted to curb Donald's absolutely insane unconstitutional actions--the Supreme Court, packed with Trumpist sycophants and loyalist cronies, has been systematically at work to undermine democracy in favor of the Trumpist regime.

So this comment of yours--not exactly the brilliant argument against "Trump as king"--when the people in power are actively doing obeisance to the mad king rather than using their constitutional powers to rein him in--it amounts to monarchy by any other name.

Let me ask you, if Donald Trump tries to run in 2028 and violate the 22nd Amendment, will you do your civic duty and oppose that act, or will you genuflect before the will of Donald Trump even though it violates the 22nd Amendment.

Are your civic loyalties to the Constitution and the Republic, or to Donald Trump?

In this above question, there are only two possible answers. Any attempt to dodge or deflect will be interpreted as cowardice to being honest.

I am an Constitutional Conservative. My civic loyalties are to the USA, the Constitution, and to the second greatest POTUS in my life time. I am being one hundred percent honest. You may insult me and call that cowardice if you want, that is your decision to make. But, I know what I believe and what I stand for.

ViaCrucis · Friday at 11:35 PM

Vambram said:
I am an Constitutional Conservative. My civic loyalties are to the USA, the Constitution, and to the second greatest POTUS in my life time. I am being one hundred percent honest. You may insult me and call that cowardice if you want, that is your decision to make. But, I know what I believe and what I stand for.

I don't believe in loyalties to any POTUS--the POTUS is supposed to be loyal to the Constitution, the Republic, and to the people of this nation. We aren't supposed to be loyal to the POTUS, the POTUS is supposed to be loyal to us.

Your answer is a non-answer. And yes, I do think it is cowardice. A true patriot will always stand by the Constitution, the Republic, and her citizens--and will never lift up any POTUS above or on the same footing. That is not patriotism, that is cowardice, that is sycophancy, and it is anti-American.

I was hoping you would actually rise up to the challenge of being a patriot. I suppose I will have to be disappointed.

May God save us. May God have mercy on us.
We've had 250 years. I hope we live to see more.

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