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It's about insuring the safety of society. Apparently society got lucky in the case of Vang. But there are too many cases where that doesn't happen.
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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz pardons illegal migrant convicted of sexually assaulting 10-year-old girl
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None of which are the subject of this thread nor were they pardoned by Gov Walz.
Swing and a miss of a Walz/Dems bad thread. Better luck next time.
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Safety of society is an issue, but has to be balanced with other concerns, like individual freedoms and limited ressources. Sure, we COULD install a camera inside every room of every home, and that would certainly increase safety, but the drawbacks are obvious.
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Oh is that what that was about? I changed my user name around a year and hundreds of posts ago. But that's all that changed. I didn't adopt a new persona and start saying things differently. My pseudonym user handles don't have any effect on the content of my posts. Personally I focus on what members have to say rather than on what their fake username and avatar is. I seriously doubt your name is really DaisyDay and your avatar is a selfie. Although it doesn't matter if it is.
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It has to do with how criminals are dealt with. Certain crimes should involve a really long or even life sentence in prison for the soul purpose of keeping society safe.
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They are the reasons why this case is being disputed. It's a matter of precedence. One could take a really liberal stance and say this isn't fair to others who were convicted of molesting a child over a period of time. What about them? Where's their chance? Where's their pardon? It's just not fair.
Nice glossing.
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Right.....
A PDF from Congress.gov - 2025
Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes ...
From the American Economic Association:The immigration–crime link
Nearly two centuries of data show that immigrants commit fewer crimes than US-born citizens.
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The immigration–crime link
Nearly two centuries of data show that immigrants commit fewer crimes than US-born citizens.
The mythical tie between immigration and crime
Research by Stanford’s Ran Abramitzky and co-authors uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than U.S.-born individuals.
Opponents of immigration often argue that immigrants drive up crime rates. But newly released research from Stanford economist Ran Abramitzky and his co-authors finds that hasn’t been the case in America for the last 140 years.
The study reveals that first-generation immigrants have not been more likely to be imprisoned than people born in the United States since 1880.
Today, immigrants are 30 percent less likely to be incarcerated than are U.S.-born individuals who are white, the study finds. And when the analysis is expanded to include Black Americans — whose prison rates are higher than the general population — the likelihood of an immigrant being incarcerated is 60 percent lower than of people born in the United States.
The claim that immigration brings on a crime wave can be traced back to the first immigrants who arrived in the U.S. Ever since the 1980s and '90s, this false narrative saw a resurgence.
During the current presidential campaign, the vitriol has been intense. Just in the last few months, former President Donald Trump has spoken of immigrants as criminals and mentally ill people who are "poisoning the blood of our country." Florida Gov. (and former presidential candidate) Ron DeSantis said migrants suspected of carrying drugs across the border should be shot, without specifying how drug smugglers could be told apart from other migrants.
However, research indicates that immigrants commit less crimes than U.S.-born people.
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The precedent being if one is a model citizen for decades after their crime to the point where the person that they victimized is advocating in their favor they can expect their record to be cleared?
Does that mean something?
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So those who molest a child are less likely to do so again if they happen to be an immigrant? I don't think so.Right.....
A PDF from Congress.gov - 2025
Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes ...
From the American Economic Association:
The immigration–crime link
Nearly two centuries of data show that immigrants commit fewer crimes than US-born citizens.www.aeaweb.org
The immigration–crime link
Nearly two centuries of data show that immigrants commit fewer crimes than US-born citizens.
The mythical tie between immigration and crime
Research by Stanford’s Ran Abramitzky and co-authors uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than U.S.-born individuals.siepr.stanford.edu
Opponents of immigration often argue that immigrants drive up crime rates. But newly released research from Stanford economist Ran Abramitzky and his co-authors finds that hasn’t been the case in America for the last 140 years.The study reveals that first-generation immigrants have not been more likely to be imprisoned than people born in the United States since 1880.Today, immigrants are 30 percent less likely to be incarcerated than are U.S.-born individuals who are white, the study finds. And when the analysis is expanded to include Black Americans — whose prison rates are higher than the general population — the likelihood of an immigrant being incarcerated is 60 percent lower than of people born in the United States.
The claim that immigration brings on a crime wave can be traced back to the first immigrants who arrived in the U.S. Ever since the 1980s and '90s, this false narrative saw a resurgence.During the current presidential campaign, the vitriol has been intense. Just in the last few months, former President Donald Trump has spoken of immigrants as criminals and mentally ill people who are "poisoning the blood of our country." Florida Gov. (and former presidential candidate) Ron DeSantis said migrants suspected of carrying drugs across the border should be shot, without specifying how drug smugglers could be told apart from other migrants.However, research indicates that immigrants commit less crimes than U.S.-born people.
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Wow, you really get odd interpretations of what you read.
You said that "its about ensuring the safety of Americans". Well I provide a number of sources that say immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and need prision. Home grown Americans are more dangerous to other Americans.
As to pedophiles, they are more like to commit the crime again, immigrant or American born. This appears to be one example that shows there are exceptions to that.
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I don't think it sends a good message regarding the crime of child molestation. Also when someone is having sex with a child, they get the child to fall in love with them. That's how the child ends up becoming their lover over a period of years. This isn't a situation where the child was grabbed and raped once. It's a situation where the relationship went on for years. In a situation like that, a child's mind gets warped, and they'll be the first ones to beg for clemency. While thinking it's their fault.
Yes. Look up glossing.
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The poster was wondering why he had someone whose username was unrecognized on his ignore list. The name was not recognized because the name had changed, although the user had not. That's all.
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I never said "its about ensuring the safety of Americans". I said it's about ensuring the safety of society. In general, in any country.
Yes, and that's what I've been saying. Do I think an immigrant who molests a child should be deported? Probably I guess. Especially if that's what the law calls for. Just as long as they're put behind bars in that country. If not then keep them here under lock and key.
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Yeah, society as in society in America. The OP article is about something that happened in America by an immigrant. That is the topic
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"Illegal immigrant" appears 4 times in the article. Not ever just immigrant, but specifically illegal immigrant. Immigrant and illegal immigrant are two separate categories. Why leave out the illegal part? What's the objective in that?
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That was already addressed in post #18. You should have seen that if you read the thread, right?
Most likely most people don't read and remember every single thing said in a thread, and things naturally get overlooked. So lets get real and acknowledge that instead of doing the you didn't read the thread routine.
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Well, one of the docs I linked to said the rate for illegal and documented immigrants were similar.
Here is a pdf from the House.gov"
An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.[1] ....
Still, undocumented immigrants had the lowest homicide arrest rates throughout the entire study period, averaging less than half the rate at which U.S.-born citizens were arrested for homicide.[3] (The homicide rate for documented immigrants fluctuated. Sometimes it was higher than the rate for U.S.- born citizens and sometimes it was lower.) Every other violent and property crime type the researchers examined followed the same general pattern. The offending rates of undocumented immigrants were consistently lower than both U.S.-born citizens and documented immigrants for assault, sexual assault, robbery, burglary, theft, and arson. For drug offenses, too, undocumented immigrants were less than half as likely to be arrested as native-born U.S. citizens.[4] Moreover, the drug crime arrest rate for the undocumented population held steady throughout the seven years of data, while the rate for native-born citizens increased almost 30% during that time. As a result, undocumented immigrants had a smaller share of arrests for drug crimes in 2018 than they had in 2012.
Researchers also looked specifically at homicide arrest trends. These rates tend to fluctuate more than the overall violent crime arrest rates because murders are relatively rare compared to other crimes. In addition, a large share of homicides go unsolved. Still, undocumented immigrants had the lowest homicide arrest rates throughout the entire study period, averaging less than half the rate at which U.S.-born citizens were arrested for homicide.[3] (The homicide rate for documented immigrants fluctuated. Sometimes it was higher than the rate for U.S.- born citizens and sometimes it was lower.) Every other violent and property crime type the researchers examined followed the same general pattern. The offending rates of undocumented immigrants were consistently lower than both U.S.-born citizens and documented immigrants for assault, sexual assault, robbery, burglary, theft, and arson.
This paper dealt with undocumented crime:But political scapegoating and hyperbole are no substitute for scientific evidence. Since the early 1990s, as the immigrant population (especially the undocumented population) increased sharply to historic highs, the rates of violent crimes and property crimes in the United States decreased significantly, in some instances to historic lows—as measured both by crimes reported to the police and by national victimization surveys. Moreover, data from the census and a wide range of other empirical studies show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans, who make up the bulk of the undocumented population. These patterns have been observed consistently over the last three decennial censuses, a period that spans the current era of mass immigration, and recall similar national-level findings reported by three major government commissions during the first three decades of the twentieth century, as did another U.S. commission in the 1990s.....
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