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Former Olympian among those charged with vandalizing Reflecting Pool
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The New York Times just obtained a new statement from federal prosecutors. While they confirmed some citations, the Times also reports that administration officials and prosecutors are refusing to provide a single detail about what happened, refusing to divulge anything about who’s been targeted or what their offenses were, and refusing to confirm any arrests of any kind.
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Khardori: Look, we know very little. And broadly speaking, there are two possibilities. One is the worst-case scenario, which would be, to your point, the secret arrests—arrests where the details are not being processed in the courts correctly or made public correctly, in the ordinary fashion.
The other, which is my suspicion, candidly, is that they’re withholding this information because if they were to make it public, it would contradict the president’s claims about what’s actually been happening at the pool. He’s got this theory that there was this vandalism, and now he’s trying to hang all of the messiness around the pool around this vandalism.
I haven’t seen any evidence that this actually happened. The most readily available evidence would be to produce arrest records for it—a criminal complaint, a citation, whatever. My operating hypothesis is that this information is not being produced to the public because it would not support the president’s claims about what’s been happening.
Khardori: I think it’ll fizzle out, is what I suspect. Of course people like you and me will want to see how this actually unfolds, just to complete the record. But I think the government’s move here is just to hope that people stop paying attention.
The New York Times just obtained a new statement from federal prosecutors. While they confirmed some citations, the Times also reports that administration officials and prosecutors are refusing to provide a single detail about what happened, refusing to divulge anything about who’s been targeted or what their offenses were, and refusing to confirm any arrests of any kind.
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[from podcast transcript]
Khardori: Look, we know very little. And broadly speaking, there are two possibilities. One is the worst-case scenario, which would be, to your point, the secret arrests—arrests where the details are not being processed in the courts correctly or made public correctly, in the ordinary fashion.
The other, which is my suspicion, candidly, is that they’re withholding this information because if they were to make it public, it would contradict the president’s claims about what’s actually been happening at the pool. He’s got this theory that there was this vandalism, and now he’s trying to hang all of the messiness around the pool around this vandalism.
I haven’t seen any evidence that this actually happened. The most readily available evidence would be to produce arrest records for it—a criminal complaint, a citation, whatever. My operating hypothesis is that this information is not being produced to the public because it would not support the president’s claims about what’s been happening.
Khardori: I think it’ll fizzle out, is what I suspect. Of course people like you and me will want to see how this actually unfolds, just to complete the record. But I think the government’s move here is just to hope that people stop paying attention.
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Olympian David Hearn indicted in Reflecting Pool destruction of property case
U.S. Olympian canoeist David Hearn was indicted by a grand jury in Washington, D.C., for destruction of property in connection with allegedly ripping up sealant in the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro said Thursday.
Pirro said Hearn on June 19 willfully and “violently” damaged a two-square-foot piece of sealant at the pool, whose renovation has been a top priority for President Donald Trump this year.
Hearn, 67, faces a possible maximum sentence of 10 years in prison if convicted of the felony charge, which was filed in the District of Columbia. He was arrested on June 19 on a misdemeanor charge.
“National Park employees observed Hearn actually forcefully and violently pulling up and removing the bottom liner with both hands,” Pirro said.
“According to witnesses, Hearn damaged approximately two square feet of sealant from the bottom of the pool,” the prosecutor said.
Well, if that piece happens to be seven hundredths of an inch wide, then it would be 350 feet long.
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Or if you’re a supporter of the president and are upset that he lost, your vandalism against the government can be completely forgiven.
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IANALE, but a prison sentence isn't cruel or unusual, and it is not an excessive fine.
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Installation details may explain Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool problems
Independent waterproofing experts reviewing project documents say installation details — not the waterproof coating itself — may explain why the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool's new lining is already peeling.
Where the experts focused their attentionInstead of focusing on the coating itself, both experts zeroed in on how it was installed.
Based on the photographs and video they reviewed, neither expert saw signs that the coating was separating from the concrete underneath it.
"There doesn't seem to be a problem with surface preparation and coating coming up from the concrete," Flanagan said. "So far what we see are tie-in detail problems where there's some lifting and potentially some issues at the expansion joints."
Projects the size of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool are not sprayed in a single day.
Instead, contractors complete the work in sections, creating what the industry calls "tie-ins" — locations where one day's work meets the next, creating a seam.
Those seams have to be completed within about six hours so the new coating properly bonds to the previous day's work. If too much time passes, installers have to prepare the surface before applying more material.
Based on the photographs, Bradley said some of those tie-ins appear to have been feather-edged — gradually sprayed thinner near the seam, likely to hide the transition from one day's work to the next.
"The reason they do that is to hide that line," Flanagan said. "It becomes an aesthetic thing."
While spraying the coating thinner at the edges may improve its appearance, both experts said it can create problems in underwater applications.
"We don't advocate feather edging," Bradley said. "You want to keep that thickness all the time."
If installers returned after the recommended six-hour window without properly preparing the existing coating, Bradley said the two layers may not stick together properly.
"If you don't do that, it's not gonna stick," he said. "Which is why you might be seeing this flapping effect and people lifting up the feathering."
Flanagan said some of the peeled pieces appear thin enough to see light through.
"If I can see through it," he said, "that means it's not at the proper thickness."
The second area both experts highlighted involves the pool's expansion joints.
Expansion joints are built into large concrete structures so they can naturally expand and contract as temperatures change throughout the year.
Based on the photographs they reviewed, Bradley said it appears the joints may have been sprayed over, although he cautioned that the images alone are not enough to confirm that.
"It looks like it," Bradley said, "but we can't be definitive."
If the joints were coated directly, Flanagan said repeated movement could eventually crack the waterproof coating.
"It's going to crack," he said. "It's going to let water into the joint, and it's going to let water underneath the polyurea."
Once that happens, the experts say the reflecting pool could begin leaking.
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Lets not forget Donald ordering himself driven over it in a convoy of multiple vehicles before it was filled.
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The Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool basin features concrete slabs built on 2,133 timber piles driven into the bedrock . The slabs are 8 inches thick and separated by expansion joints.
Most peoples garage slabs are 4" thick. But that presidential limo is an absolute tank. And who know what shape those pilings are in after so long. Seems like an ill advised stunt regardless.
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It can't have been good for the lining, which obviously is not designed to be driven on.
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Let’s all keep in mind the choice of painting it “American flag blue” was entirely optional and not necessary at all to rehabilitate the memorial. Had they just gone with a normal restoration, like it still needs despite the 15 million dollars spent so far, none of these problems with the delaminating paint would even be there.
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