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Texas Passed A Law To Clarify When Women Should Receive Life-Saving Care. She Almost Died Anyway.

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What's the exact figure? A 56% increase could mean one extra depending on the total number of deaths. The number of babies killed in the US in 2025 was 1,126,000. That's an 84% increase from 2022.
Sometimes we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the parents. Losing your wife due to strict and unclear laws led to her death.

You may think it is a minimal loss comparatively, but many do not. Worse yet if you were personally affected and lost your wife.
 
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I agree. The issue is the fall of Roe v Wade is supposed to be a bad thing.
It is characteristic of the repressive, X-nat state that is Texas. Even their "for medical necessity" claims are clearly empty.
The women are being addressed as should be.
They aren't.
But the 1,126,000 baby deaths are being ignored, pushed aside, glossed over, euphemized etc.
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Sometimes we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the parents. Losing your wife due to strict and unclear laws led to her death.

You may think it is a minimal loss comparatively, but many do not. Worse yet if you were personally affected and lost your wife.
I'm saying certain people weighing in on this being a matter of consequence, which it is, are completely pushing aside over a million babies being killed last year. Why are they showing concern for the former and total disregard for the latter?
 
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I agree. The issue is the fall of Roe v Wade is supposed to be a bad thing.
Well, we can point to the bad things that result from it, like the OP, or the increase in abortions.

AI Overview (Google: "abortions increased after dobbs")

Yes, the total number of abortions nationwide has increased since the Supreme Court's 2022 Dobbsdecision. By 2024, the national abortion rate reached 16.7 per 1,000 women—a 16% increase compared to 2020.
 
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Well, we can point to the bad things that result from it, like the OP, or the increase in abortions.

AI Overview (Google: "abortions increased after dobbs")

Yes, the total number of abortions nationwide has increased since the Supreme Court's 2022 Dobbsdecision. By 2024, the national abortion rate reached 16.7 per 1,000 women—a 16% increase compared to 2020.
Babies being killed in clinics in the US has increased substantially since 2022. What should we as Americans say about that? That's horrific? Who cares? It doesn't matter?
 
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I'm saying certain people weighing in on this being a matter of consequence, which it is, are completely pushing aside over a million babies being killed last year. Why are the showing concern for the former and total disregard for the latter?
The "sanctity" of life is for everyone not just the unborn. If there is little regaurd for those who walk the earth now then the defense of those who are not here yet rings hollow and lacks true moral authority.More than three million living children die each year from the devastating impacts of famine and war.
 
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Babies being killed in clinics in the US has increased substantially since 2022. What should we as Americans say about that? That's horrific? Who cares? It doesn't matter?
Maybe we should work to have state healthcare systems that aren't a potential horror story when you're pregnant.
 
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Babies being killed in clinics in the US has increased substantially since 2022. What should we as Americans say about that? That's horrific? Who cares? It doesn't matter?
Goes to show that overturning Roe.Wade was a mistake. One consequence that arose was the loss of counseling. Texas's draconian abortion ban has effectively killed the physical space for neutral pregnancy counseling. Instead of visiting a local clinic to weigh options like parenting or adoption, women seeking abortions now bypass Texas entirely via out-of-state telehealth networks. The physical, face-to-face consultation room where a woman could quietly evaluate all choices has been completely wiped out by this shift in care causing an extraordinary increase in abortions.
 
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I agree. The issue is the fall of Roe v Wade is supposed to be a bad thing. The women are being addressed as should be.

The inability to write or enforce the law in such a way as to allow for proper medical care demonstrates otherwise.
 
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Why are they showing concern for the former and total disregard for the latter?
Forum rules preclude addressing that question.
 
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Not good, but pales in comparison to hundreds of thousands of babies being put to death annually.
Babies are not being put to death as you describe, but this scenario does nothing to improve things for either side of the aisle.
 
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But the 1,126,000 baby deaths are being ignored, pushed aside, glossed over, euphemized etc.
A zygote is not a baby.

But is euphemized really the word you were looking for?

Euphonium maybe?
 
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I'm saying certain people weighing in on this being a matter of consequence, which it is, are completely pushing aside over a million babies being killed last year. Why are they showing concern for the former and total disregard for the latter?
Staying within the confines of the site rules, plenty of folks have a different definition of "baby".
 
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Not good, but pales in comparison to hundreds of thousands of babies being put to death annually.
Yeah, that "but" negates the preceding clause.
What's the exact figure? A 56% increase could mean one extra depending on the total number of deaths. The number of babies killed in the US in 2025 was 1,126,000. That's an 84% increase from 2022.
So the number of maternal deaths went up since Dobbs, but the number of abortions also went up even more? Seems like Dobbs has hurt women and their families without doing much to benefit the feti.
 
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