Yes, I believe during the creation week God designed and completed a pattern of seven day week cycle, six days of work and the seventh is to rest, not for Him being tired but for mankind. He blessed and made it holy.
The pattern is broken if there is no completed work. We cannot complete the work, therefore we cannot progress the pattern.
Yes, the Sabbath in Exodus as a memorial to creation and in Deuteronomy as redemption memorial to His people.
So baked in Sabbath has a base of redemption and completed work. Christ offers us both.
Mostly ideas doesn't meet due to differing definition of term. Again, as I've said nothing is mine, the definition I quote is from various Bible Lexicons.
If we interpret all 613 God's Laws written in God's peoples heart and minds as the new covenant in Hebrews 8, I believe it did still contain the seventh day Sabbath.
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G5546 (Thayer Lexicon)
Χριστιανός Christianos
1) Christian, a follower of Christ
G5546 (Mounce Lexicon)
Χριστιανός Christianos
3x: a Christian, follower of Christ, Act_11:26; Act_26:28; 1Pe_4:16.
G5546 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon)
one who is identified as a believer in and follower of Christ
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)
As you state, "the sin doesn't change, but we do not keep the letter of the old," do that mean we are now free to murder, to bear false witness, to steal etc?
The verbatim letter of the old is not written upon our hearts, regardless how many you count (as it would sort of miss the point). The letter of the old reflects a deeper value, and it is that deeper value that is internalized in the new through the Spirit. For example, the old says "do not murder"; this is a threshold moral, but clearly every moment that leads up to murder can also be sinful, and it's just not the final act. The new through the Spirit internalizes the intent and construct morals of the law rather than the letter itself, which is temporal and contextually based. To say the product would be we are free to murder is false and is a strawman.
The letter of the old is not the governing moral, but rather a product of a much deeper moral base. So don't reduce our morals to thresholds like how that 10 put it but rather they are internalized and direct from the Spirit. So when I approach someone, I don't need to go through a checklist of "do not murder, steal, lie, sleep with his wife or covet his things," then having avoided all that, I may pass the person by because I've am justified by this checklist, meanwhile I've done nothing to engage that person.
Such a list would produce passing a person left for dead, as we see in the account of the good Samaritan. Instead of asking "how can I not cause the harm" we should be asking "how can I love" The former is closer to a product of the old, the latter a product of the new, but the intent of the old was never a strict legalistic approach; however, in practice produced that product and can be argued legally to that end. The new does not reduce our lives to checklists of moral thresholds or strict legal code of do and do nots which can be exploited; instead, we have direct access to the Spirit and know the desires of God, his law, without needing to consult a list first. So when we see a person left of dead we don't need to check to justify passing him, instead we respond to the need at hand.
In truth, the 10 do not operate that way as they are part of a greater code, not an isolated system of 10. If you read Ex 20-24 you get a fuller sense of that happening, and the product of not loving our neighbour or leaving them for dead at the side of the road may be justifiable through the strict reading of the 10, but it is not when looking at the entire covenant system, which the 10 are a part of. So the 10 do not operate alone and must be complemented by other actions to govern our morals aka the wide covenant. We can reduce this to a number, I've heard it said to be 613 (I've never counted), but when we reduce, we legalize, and exploit. In the new, there is no number of laws, it is all internalized, and it is all of the Spirit, it's both everything and nothing of the old, but our focus is not to consult the old, but to walk according to the Spirit moment to moment. Does it overlap with the old? Sure, but even comparing misses the point, as the old does not have governing authority.
Yes, as we always fall short to the glory of God, salvation is God's grace, a gift, through our faith, it's the sole discretion of God to the unworthy.
But we can show our faith as created spiritually in Christ for good works prepared beforehand by God so that we would walk in them.
Our spiritual life begins at faith in Jesus, as a Christian, a follower of Christ, we may fell down but try to stand again in Christ through the Spirit than not trying at all.
We shall strive to follow the Spirit's guidance than not striving or denying what was taught.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
of course, highly agreeable words. But there are nuances to how you use these words, reducing sin to that defined under the 10. I personally do not want to live in a world where the 10 are the authority in defining sin. Is murder wrong? Sure, we all know that, but is walking past a neighbour who needs you also wrong? The 10 does not allow the latter, but it does allow the former. So when approaching the 10, I must read Christ's words as a filter, but in fact I do not even need the 10, and I can just use Christ's words.
Again, if we interpret
Revelation 14:12 God's commandments as referred to all the 613 Laws, the seventh day Sabbath still in it.
I am not saying throwing the rest as maybe the next rebuttal like it would follow , my point is that the seventh day Sabbath is still one of the 613 Laws, to abide in your interpretation.
God's commandments should not be reduced to 613 laws. Those are conventional commandments. What we want is not the old covenant terms but the direct will and desire of God. Does God desire that I separate my threads and grains and not mix them? Does he desire physical circumcision? Does he desire I continue to sacrifice, and if I can't, I work at trying to restore the temple and priestly service so that that sacrifice may continue? The 613 are reframed in the new, but it's not a 1 for 1 correlation, and we miss the point when we try and map it out like that, but instead shows direct access to God's desires moment to moment.
Again, abiding to your interpretation that God's commandments refer to all 613 Laws, the Sabbath still in it and mean to be kept and observed.
That is my point and not throwing the rest, I believe would be the next response.
This is not my interpretation. I do not advocate that our focus should be on 613 laws it is, however, a logical problem of your position you seem to refuse to critically approach.
Yes, by loving one another we obey and loved God also as love is the fulfillment of the Law.
It's not me saying it, verse below did.
Rom 13:9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
You're flattening the point and are filtering through the language of Rom 13:9. But the language scripturally is broader, rather than it all filters through the chosen word "sum" because it suits your position. 13:10 says "love is the fulfillment of the law" (as you pointed out), but your point seems to filter that through a sum of the 10, which then filters that to a meaning of "we should keep the 10"
A broader comparison shows us fulfillment is the focus over a mere summary of only 10. Christ tells us, "all the law and the prophets hang upon these". Christ is all-inclusive, Paul is not trying to reduce Christ's words to fit the 10; his point is the same and must be in agreement with Christ's words, so if we use a filter, we should use Christ rather than a hyperfocus on one English word because we like it better.
The Gospel references are Matthew 22:39; Mark 12:31; Luke 10:27 but Christ's conclusion is not a reduction to the 10; his point actually moves away from isolating the 10 and has a broader focus for the whole law and the prophets and this should be our reference point.
John's works (Gospel and epistles) also speak of a foundational law, his reference is to a "new commandment" which is a reference to Christ's words in John 13:34-35 and is consistent with Christ's law as mentioned above.
With the other epistles, the language is consistent with Christ's
Rom 13:9-10 "Love is the fulfillment of the law."
Gal 5:14 "For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Jam 2:8 "If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well."
Peter is not as direct, but his teaching is still consistent in 1 Peter 1:22 "Love one another earnestly from a pure heart" or 4:8 "Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins."
A reduction to the 10 is not the take away which you have reduced it to. I can't agree with that, and it seems it only works if we filter everything through the language of Rom 13:9, but even Paul doesn't agree as his point is a segue to the a greater point that love is a fulfillment of the law.
Yes, we may interpret all 613 Laws as God's commandments just to reason about evading to keep and observed the seventh day Sabbath, but we cannot exclude the Ten Commandments and the 4th from the 613 Laws.
Scriptures proves it below.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
Rom 13:9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
613 includes the 10. (they are the first of the covenant terms. The entire convenat terms are reframed in the new, we don't have 10, we don't have 613 we don't have 1,000,000¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰. We have direct access to the spirit and may walk in his way without the need to filter through or reduce to a set number of commandments. We don't even need to cross-check. Some may look more familiar to the old, others may be highly nuanced, but our focus is not a list, it is the spirit.
Jesus is our shepherd, sheep would be us His people.
Jesus do care to all, wants all to be save, and would save and restore life even on Sabbath, that's the lawful good works Jesus performed on Sabbath.
There are lost sheep; their lives are important too and how we engage or disengage matters. What action is appropriate to help these lost sheep? If a single mother and her small child moved in next door, pulling up a U-Haul with all their things, and she alone was moving all the items to her house. Do I check the calendar first to make sure it's not the sabbath before I help, or do I just help. Using NT teaching showing love is the trumping focus, even Christ says that goodness is lawful on the Sabbath (Mat 12:12). I don't know what you would do, but I don't need to think about what is the act that shows the most love.
Yes, I prefer quoting Scriptures than giving my own opinion.
Objective evidence matters than man's opinion.
there where is the scripture that shows the link that "commandments of God" = "the 10 commandments" there for it is mandated by letter in the new.
Yes, I know the center of this argument is to avoid keeping the seventh day Sabbath, denying the 10 to include all 613 Laws.
To prove consistency of your argument, may we know what verse that states the 613 Laws excludes the Ten?
You are conflating the 7th day with the 4th commandment. The 4th is, in conventional terms, the 7th is outside of legal code instituted at creation. I'm not excluding the 10 from the 613. I'm saying your logic needs to include the 613 if you include the 10. So the 10 are a part of the 613 but the point you seem to miss is they are not transfered to the new as is. They are reframed and are not enumerated; we walk according to the spirit not the letter.
