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All God's Promises Have Conditions

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Genesis 17:7-9 KJV

“And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.”

Genesis 18:19 KJV

“For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.”

Galatians 3:16,26-29 NKJV

16Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.
“26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

All God’s Promises

All God’s promises have stipulations which must be abided by in order for those promises to be fulfilled. They are not open-ended promises, i.e. they are not commitments without specific clearly defined limits or conditions. In the covenant that God made to Abraham and to his seed (although we learn in the New Testament that the seed was/is Jesus Christ), Abraham and his descendants were required that they must keep (obey) God’s covenant. They were required of God that they had to keep (obey) the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. All God’s promises have conditions!!

So, what happened to the Israelites when they were in the wilderness for 40 years? The majority of them did not obey God. They were idolaters, drunks, revelers, the sexually immoral, and those who craved sin, and who tested Christ, and who grumbled against God and against his servant Moses. So most of them died in the wilderness. And not only did they not get to go into the Promised Land, but they also did not get to enter into God’s eternal rest. And all Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah were cast out of biblical Israel, and the believing Gentiles were grafted into biblical Israel, who is Jesus Christ. And all who deny Jesus as the Christ are antichrist.

Bible verses on biblical Israel:[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; Matthew 21:43; John 8:18-19,38-47; John 10:16; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Colossians 3:12-15; Titus 2:14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13; 1 Peter 2:9-10,24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

Heirs of the Promise

So the true heirs of the promise God made with Abraham are all who by faith in Jesus Christ have become children of God. They are not the Jews who have rejected Christ as their Messiah and who have been removed from biblical Israel. Therefore, the unbelieving Jews do not believe in nor do they worship the same God as us who believe in Christ – the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And all who do not obey God and his commands, but who walk in sin, also do not worship the only true God, and therefore they also are not heirs of the promise God made with Abraham and with his seed (Christ).

So the political nation called “Israel” is NOT the Israel of God. They are not God’s chosen people because the majority of them do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Lord. Many of them are atheists or those who call themselves Jews but who do not adhere to the Jewish faith practices. According to the Scriptures, they are the antichrist, in fact. So we are not to give our loyalties and devotion to the physical and political nation calling itself “Israel,” for they are not biblical Israel. Biblical Israel are all who are of biblical faith in Jesus Christ who have died with Christ to sin and who are walking in obedience to God’s commands, in the power of God, by his grace.

Baptized into Christ

Please understand, that even though water baptism traditionally followed a profession of faith in Jesus Christ in the New Testament Scriptures, being baptized with water is no assurance of anyone having faith in Christ and of being obedient servants of the Lord Jesus Christ. Water baptism saves no one. Many people go through the waters of baptism who never put their trust in Jesus Christ. But water baptism represents what takes place in the life of the believer in Christ, for by faith in Jesus we are buried with Christ in baptism into death to sin, and we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him in walks of obedience to his commands. Then we are Christ’s.

And if we are Christ’s, then we are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise God made to Abraham and to his seed, meaning Christ.

2 Chronicles 7:13-14 NKJV

“13When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people, 14if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; 2 Corinthians 5:10,15,21; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Return to Me

Based off Jeremiah 31; Cf. Revelation 2-3
An Original Work / September 5, 2013
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


I have loved you with an eternal love,
Which I give to you, in my faithfulness.

Keep your voice from weeping,
And your eyes from tearing.
You will be rewarded
With much fruitfulness.

There is hope for you that My family
Will return to Me; live in victory!

Though I discipline in My love for you,
My heart longs for you that you walk in truth.

Turn your thoughts to your Lord.
Choose to walk in His ways.
Turn from your sins daily.
Follow Jesus Christ.

Oh, how long will you wander in your sin?
Give your hearts to Me; be restored within.

I will satisfy ev’ry weary soul
Who repents of sin; is renewed within.

Behold, days are coming;
It will surely happen;
Though I discipline them,
They will thrive again.

I will be their One and their Only God.
They shall walk in white; be in Me, made right.


All God’s Promises Have Conditions
An Original Work / June 21, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
 

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It seems your point is in line with replacement theology, is that the essence of the post?
No, it is in line with the teachings of the Scriptures in the Old and in the New Testament.
 
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No, it is in line with the teachings of the Scriptures in the Old and in the New Testament.
Seems you avoid my question. Do you support or deny what is known as replacement theology? Did I somehow misunderstand your original post and draw a wrong conclusion? If so, I will reread and seek more clarity so as to be able to respond more appropriately. Thank you.
 
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Seems you avoid my question. Do you support or deny what is known as replacement theology? Did I somehow misunderstand your original post and draw a wrong conclusion? If so, I will reread and seek more clarity so as to be able to respond more appropriately. Thank you.
I neither support nor deny "replacement theology" because I do not believe that such a thing exists. I believe that is a made-up term to bypass the teachings of the Scriptures. So I will not get into that topic with anyone. I have shared what the Scriptures teach.
 
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Genesis 17:7-9 KJV

“And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.”

Genesis 18:19 KJV

“For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.”

Galatians 3:16,26-29 NKJV

16Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.
“26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

All God’s Promises

All God’s promises have stipulations which must be abided by in order for those promises to be fulfilled. They are not open-ended promises, i.e. they are not commitments without specific clearly defined limits or conditions. In the covenant that God made to Abraham and to his seed (although we learn in the New Testament that the seed was/is Jesus Christ), Abraham and his descendants were required that they must keep (obey) God’s covenant. They were required of God that they had to keep (obey) the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. All God’s promises have conditions!!

So, what happened to the Israelites when they were in the wilderness for 40 years? The majority of them did not obey God. They were idolaters, drunks, revelers, the sexually immoral, and those who craved sin, and who tested Christ, and who grumbled against God and against his servant Moses. So most of them died in the wilderness. And not only did they not get to go into the Promised Land, but they also did not get to enter into God’s eternal rest. And all Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah were cast out of biblical Israel, and the believing Gentiles were grafted into biblical Israel, who is Jesus Christ. And all who deny Jesus as the Christ are antichrist.

Bible verses on biblical Israel:[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; Matthew 21:43; John 8:18-19,38-47; John 10:16; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Colossians 3:12-15; Titus 2:14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13; 1 Peter 2:9-10,24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

Heirs of the Promise

So the true heirs of the promise God made with Abraham are all who by faith in Jesus Christ have become children of God. They are not the Jews who have rejected Christ as their Messiah and who have been removed from biblical Israel. Therefore, the unbelieving Jews do not believe in nor do they worship the same God as us who believe in Christ – the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And all who do not obey God and his commands, but who walk in sin, also do not worship the only true God, and therefore they also are not heirs of the promise God made with Abraham and with his seed (Christ).

So the political nation called “Israel” is NOT the Israel of God. They are not God’s chosen people because the majority of them do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Lord. Many of them are atheists or those who call themselves Jews but who do not adhere to the Jewish faith practices. According to the Scriptures, they are the antichrist, in fact. So we are not to give our loyalties and devotion to the physical and political nation calling itself “Israel,” for they are not biblical Israel. Biblical Israel are all who are of biblical faith in Jesus Christ who have died with Christ to sin and who are walking in obedience to God’s commands, in the power of God, by his grace.

Baptized into Christ

Please understand, that even though water baptism traditionally followed a profession of faith in Jesus Christ in the New Testament Scriptures, being baptized with water is no assurance of anyone having faith in Christ and of being obedient servants of the Lord Jesus Christ. Water baptism saves no one. Many people go through the waters of baptism who never put their trust in Jesus Christ. But water baptism represents what takes place in the life of the believer in Christ, for by faith in Jesus we are buried with Christ in baptism into death to sin, and we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him in walks of obedience to his commands. Then we are Christ’s.

And if we are Christ’s, then we are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise God made to Abraham and to his seed, meaning Christ.

2 Chronicles 7:13-14 NKJV

“13When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people, 14if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; 2 Corinthians 5:10,15,21; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Return to Me

Based off Jeremiah 31; Cf. Revelation 2-3
An Original Work / September 5, 2013
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


I have loved you with an eternal love,
Which I give to you, in my faithfulness.

Keep your voice from weeping,
And your eyes from tearing.
You will be rewarded
With much fruitfulness.

There is hope for you that My family
Will return to Me; live in victory!

Though I discipline in My love for you,
My heart longs for you that you walk in truth.

Turn your thoughts to your Lord.
Choose to walk in His ways.
Turn from your sins daily.
Follow Jesus Christ.

Oh, how long will you wander in your sin?
Give your hearts to Me; be restored within.

I will satisfy ev’ry weary soul
Who repents of sin; is renewed within.

Behold, days are coming;
It will surely happen;
Though I discipline them,
They will thrive again.

I will be their One and their Only God.
They shall walk in white; be in Me, made right.


All God’s Promises Have Conditions
An Original Work / June 21, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
I would say that some, or many of God's promises have conditions. Not all of them do. For example, after the Flood, God gave this promise:

(Gen 8:21 NKJV) And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
(Gen 8:22) "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, Cold and heat, Winter and summer, And day and night Shall not cease."

When the angel spoke to the disciples after the Ascension, he said:

(Act 1:11 NKJV) who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."

Not "He will only come if this condition is fulfilled."

I do agree that many of God's promises come with conditions.
 
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I would say that some, or many of God's promises have conditions. Not all of them do. For example, after the Flood, God gave this promise:

(Gen 8:21 NKJV) And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
(Gen 8:22) "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, Cold and heat, Winter and summer, And day and night Shall not cease."

When the angel spoke to the disciples after the Ascension, he said:

(Act 1:11 NKJV) who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."

Not "He will only come if this condition is fulfilled."

I do agree that many of God's promises come with conditions.
Yes, I considered that same thing when I was writing this. I struggled with it because to say that not all God’s promises have conditions is to open a door wide to people believing that God will keep all his promises despite whether or not they keep theirs to him. I think we may have to distinguish between types of promises, and the subject matter had to do with promises with clear conditions given to the people which they had to meet for those promises to be fulfilled. The ones I was specifically referring to were moral and spiritual in nature, i.e. requiring obedience to God's commands. And so "all" was in that category. I saw the others outside that category but did not know how to define them. What it comes down to is context. We need to study the Scriptures in the correct biblical context to see the conditions to the promises, which is what I was stressing. So many people just read the promises and assume they are for them because they don't read the whole context. I will take this to the Lord in prayer and consider before him if I could word this in a better way which will not cause any confusion in the matter. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
 
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I neither support nor deny "replacement theology" because I do not believe that such a thing exists. I believe that is a made-up term to bypass the teachings of the Scriptures. So I will not get into that topic with anyone. I have shared what the
I neither support nor deny "replacement theology" because I do not believe that such a thing exists. I believe that is a made-up term to bypass the teachings of the Scriptures. So I will not get into that topic with anyone. I have shared what the Scriptures teach.
That aside, it is not correct to say all promises are conditional. It is more correct to say some or many or even most but not all. An easy example concerns the promise of Christ's return, it is an unconditional promise. God's mercy is also unconditional. Some promises have conditions, they contain conditional words or phrases.
 
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